Comment by Magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh on Foundation vs Dune

vs The Expanse: we are headed for some bleak imperialist nonsense but humanity’s salvation will come from… Nevermind, we’re fucked.

Just most of us, except Amos. Amos will be fine.

Nothing this guy can’t shrug off. Litterally.

He’s got the shotgun, you’ve got the briefcase. All in the game, though.

[…] humanity’s salvation will come from alien technology we haven’t discovered yet.

The expense always looked like almost utopic to me.

Truly ? What aspects of it ?

I mean they do have universal basic income on earth but apart from that humanity is all kinds of fucked. And it doesn’t exactly get better as the story progresses.

The fact that the earth is even united and not completely screwed is already a great start. It was even recovering from climate change before Inaros.

The earthers are not doing that bad in the beginning that is true. But the rest of the system have it rough.

The earth is united like the United States is united. The tribes just got bigger is all. Instead of NATO vs BRICS, the Expanse universe has Earthers vs Martians vs Belters. And people are suffering hard on earth as evidenced during Bobby’s trip to the ocean.

Bobby’s saw a very different earth in the books tho.

People living in UBI weren’t really living a paradise but they weren’t homeless hobos like in the show.

Example B of earth being shittastic is the entirety of The Churn novella

The story for The Churn is entirely Earth based and provides a description of what the average life in a crowded, metropolitan city is like in the world of the Expanse. The city of Baltimore has given way to a multitude of crime bosses, and organized black markets. There are multiple bosses who each keep a “family” of personal guards that operate the smuggling of goods, illegal memory implants, weapons smuggling, cybernetic implants, and other illegal goods and services. The story takes place over the course of about two days.

Everyone starts to come together in the last book though.

In a very… Specific way.

To be fair to Inaros he did end global warming and the overpopulation of earth.

Inaros did nothing wrong.

Chrissie’s fabulous saris

Mostly they suffer from extreme boredom and mediocre lives. Nothing drastic but soul suckingly unfulfilling.

You mean dystopic right … right?

Not at all. It always looked like something in between for me. Humanity is still struggling but moving forward, and most people live under various kind of regimes but no big bad Empire.

Well the belters have it pretty rough and Mars is basically totalitarian. And without spoiling anything I’d suggest you keep reading, it is worth it :).

I have a question for you, fancy pantsy book reader on their own instance: should I watch the show and then read the books, read the books and then watch the show, or read the books and skip the show?

Well my pants aren’t fancy at all thank you very much :p.

The show is great, and so are the books. Mostly I would start by watching the show which is, for the first season at least, much more polished imho (the writers of the book were also show runners). After that, the show ends at book 6 (there are 9 total) but several character arcs are tweaked so I would recommend reading at least books 3 to 6 before 7.

Watch the show and then read the books. In my opinion the show is fantastic and incredibly enjoyable (except for ending the series in what is obviously the middle of a significant plot thread, which is annoying) but the books are even better and spoiled the show a tinsy bit for me.

Listen to the books, don’t care about the show.

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So you would enjoy the belter life much?

Belters are a vast minority, though.

The population numbers sort of… even out later in the books.

As far as I know utopia and dystopia are like polar opposites. I have never heard the take before that the concept of utopia includes that it´s rotten on the inside and only looks perfect. Where did you get that idea from?

A utopia (/juːˈtoʊpiə/ yoo-TOH-pee-ə) typically describes an imaginary community or society that possesses highly desirable or near-perfect qualities for its members.

and

The opposite of a utopia is a dystopia.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia

A dystopia is properly a utopia with one critical flaw.

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