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China is the world’s second biggest producer of silver and seventh largest producer of nickel. Bonus is that the biggest producer of nickel is Indonesia, which has a free trade agreement with China and the third biggest producer is Russia (lol, lmao).

Also love the example of Sorghum because China is producer #8 in the world and 4 of the top producers are global south countries that absolutely would not cut off trade with China. Also, lmao at the thought of the CPC just collapsing because people can’t get one specific type of liquor. Imagine Russia trying to undermine America by targeting its strategic vodka supply.

All this tells me is that the West doesn’t produce anything that is irreplaceable to China and that the think tankers and journalists are too delusional to recognize this.

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I keep telling people that China can survive without us, but we can’t survive without China. They make the stuff and if things got desperate they could re-configure their economy to make the stuff they need at home. The US doesn’t make the stuff and would be absolutely fucked without trade. It might get really, really messy but at the end of the day they’ve got real manufacturing capacity and we’ve got high finance autocannibalism.

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Mostly correct but I want to point that China does depend on the US for food. I mean I’m sure it’s something the CPC thinks about a lot and I assume they have a plan to reduce dependency but at the moment they import quite a bit of food from the US.

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I have heard people assert (on what I think are fairly reasonable grounds) that China is mostly food secure for basic foods and relies on imports for luxury foods (tropical fruit, milk, etc) and soy and corn for use as animal feed.

If this is true, then in a blockade or war situation there would be rationing of meat and luxury foods but basically enough vegetables and grains to avert famine.

On a related note, China apparently has an 18 month stockpile of grain at current consumption, which Eldridge Colby (think tank ghoul) vagueposted about and got dunked on by Chen Weihua.

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pick almost any vegetable and china grows near to or more than the next 9 nations combined.

their agricultural system is far more diverse and resilient than the US. they had their own agricultural revolution during the so-called green revolution financed by Western capital, and while it doesn’t grow a mountain of soy/corn like the settler colonial states, it feeds healthy food to a lot of healthy people.

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98% of pork in China are foreign breeds. This is a serious issue, since China comprises about half of the world’s pork consumption. If there really is a sanctions on food import for China, there will be a massive plunge in living standards in China and they might actually start a war over it. This is why I don’t think even the US dares to think about sanctioning food.

Also, 18 months is a relatively short time scale for a war between two giant economies. The war in Ukraine has been going on for 18 months now.

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China can keep their “electronic equipment”, their “machinery, including computers”, and their “vehicles”. Let’s see them survive without Marvel Movies and shitcoins!

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The US will never stop exporting their propaganda!

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If the rest of the world proves too much to be shitass barbarians I fear they may return to their historical isolationism, which may be fine for them, and would be impossible to blame them, but will leave the rest of us a bit fucked

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Maybe they will let a few brics countries join them in the civilizationsphere. Not where I’m thinking either of us are though

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