cross-posted from: https://kbin.projectsegfau.lt/m/tech@kbin.social/t/26889

Google just announced that all RCS conversations in Messages are now fully end-to-end encrypted, even in group chats. RCS stands for Rich Communication Services and is replacing traditional text and picture messaging, providing you with more dynamic and secure features. With RCS enabled, you can share high-res photos and videos, see typing indicators for your…

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14 points

As an Apple owner I hope Apple will implement this too. I live in a country where everybody communicates through WhatsApp unfortunately.

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13 points

What do you mean? iMessage is fully end to end encrypted.

As far as google messages RCS goes, that’s googles proprietary version of RCS.

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6 points

iMessage is not fully E2E encrypted unless you have advanced data protection turned on. If you don’t, the keys to your conversations still rest on Apple’s servers.

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9 points

I don’t think it’s true as long as you don’t make iCloud Backups

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10 points

That’s untrue. The keys are generated on your device and Apple doesn’t have those stored. You need apple devices to grant access for another device as Apple doesn’t have your key. There’s other security holes where apple can generate new keys but that doesn’t change the fact that it is actually E2E encrypted.

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3 points

No that’s only for iCloud backups of your iMessages.

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2 points

It’s full E2E encryption even without that turned on. However, just because something is encrypted doesn’t mean it’s secure, as you point out.

Regardless, governments/organizations have gotten very good at finding vulnerabilities and exploiting them before academic and/or private sector security groups discover the same vulnerabilities, who will then go and publish their findings which eventually leads to them getting patched. As a side note: For anyone interested in some modern hacker/cybersecurity history, I recommend reading the book, Sandworm by Andy Greenberg. It’s pretty damn wild what it covers and that’s only a fraction of the modern state of global cyber warfare (and yes, just about the entire world has been engaged in what pretty much amounts to cyber warfare/espionage/sabotage for the last 10-15+ years).

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I think they might mean they wish Apple would support RCS in general (which Apple has been refusing to do)

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For good reason. Honestly anyone pushing for RCS is an idiot or doesn’t understand what they are pushing for.

Among many issues (including E2E missing by default) the idea of giving any control back to carriers is just stupid.

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WhatsApp is already E2E encrypted, it always has been. There’s a circlejerk around here about “not true E2E!”, but that’s just straight up nonsense.

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2 points

but still leaks a lot of metadata to Facebook/Meta

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Name, service start date, last seen date, IP address, and email address, that’s it. Proof here. Everything Google and Apple also collect. If that’s a problem for you use Signal, not iMessage.

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