okay so, just like in spatial terms, left and right are relative, right? There’s no objective left or right, there is no left or right side of the planet earth, right?
So for example there is a left of the Democratic Party, like AOC, but they are only left relative to the rest of the Party. So what is meant by left wing of Wall Street are the relative left leaning capitalists, i.e. bourgeois liberals
Left and right are also relative historically, what may be considered far to the left or right at one point and history may later on be reversed.
If you want to know, there’s an objective difference. It’s the presence of a hierarchy. Centrists support a hierarchy that’s either voluntary or mildly coercive. Justifications for violent enforcement become more severe the farther you go to the right. Leftism is cooperative and anti-hierarchy.
you seem like a nice person, i get that you misunderstood what i said at first. now you’re really committing to arguing with me
Leftism is cooperative and anti-hierarchy
well, no not really, that’s anarchism, which is historically a small part of leftism, sometimes there are no anarchists in a leftist movement.
“Leftism” historically has all kinds of hierarchies, Marx, Lenin, Castro, all very hierarchical. You can say they are not real Leftists. Personally I would not say that Marxists Aren’t Leftists, that seems incorrect to me. I have lots of disagreements with Marxists but they are part of “the Left” whether we like it or not.
The Jacobins, who were the first group of people to be called “Leftists”, were ultra hierarchical and dictatorial. There’s a funny story about the Origin of the terms ‘left’ and ‘right wing’: during the french revolution the National Assembly would meet in this big room, the allied delegates would naturally sit together. Some sat on the Left side, others sat on the Right side. That’s it, that’s the the origin, there’s no innate essence to leftism, it’s certainly not some trans historical entity.
Those hierarchies you described and attributed to leftism were authoritarian. They were supported and maintained by violence. They weren’t leftist, you were just raised to believe they are by your government, which itself has been approaching total fascism your entire life.