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“It’s horrible for everybody. Yeah, I lost my son, it’s harder on our family, but I don’t want the rest of her life ruined too. It isn’t going to make me feel any better,” he said.

As hard as it is to say something like that… we need more people like this.

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It’s a nice sentiment, but…

This was premeditated. She needs to be held accountable and have consequences for what she willfully and knowingly did.

She literally killed people. I’m not sure this can be a case of “forgive and let her off lightly.”

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I don’t think he’s saying she shouldn’t be accountable and face consequences. He’s said he didn’t want her to spend life in jail. That’s going to be pretty radical for a lot of folks.

Some people are going to think that life in prison or the death penalty should be the minimum consequence. Others are going to think that even a monster like this can repent, change and (unlike her victims) be allowed to live free eventually.

Edit. Yikes. Important typo. “Don’t”

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That’s fair, and I get it. To me, that’s absolutely radical, especially if it was my child who was harmed.

I personally have just learned from experience that people who get off easy are likely to continue on the path of destructive behavior.

I’m not necessarily calling for her death or anything… but the punishment needs to fit the crime. Two lives are permanently gone from this world because of the careless and stupid choices she made.

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For me, it’s not about whether or not she can change and repent. I’m all for prison reforms that make prison safe and offer inmates opportunities for growth and self-improvement while they serve their sentences, but I think punishments need to fit crimes and this girl intentionally killed two other people. I think a sentence of 15 years to life is actually a bit lenient (I’m used to 25 years to life being the standard for premeditated murder). I don’t think she should mandatorily have to spend her entire life in prison, but I also don’t think she should get to enjoy even fraction of the life she robbed those two boys of. Ideally, with good behavior, I’d like to see her get out at 45-50 years of age. She would still have a few decades left, but the prime of her life would be gone—no career, no kids. That seems fair to me.

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And yet on the same turn, if the father was calling for the death penalty or even a lengthy prison sentence, you all would be admonishing the fact that he even got a say and stating this is why justice systems shouldn’t be about satisfying the victim at all.

The hypocrisy is really blatant and self-serving. Should people be punished for their crimes or not? If yes, then you need to support predetermined sentences for crimes that apply equally across all cases, including this one. If no, then you don’t really believe in justice or government, but something much more insidious.

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34 points

There’s a middle ground between life in prison and just a slap on the wrist

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I agree. 15 years is hardly “life” in prison, though. I think it’s more than fair.

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Being 17, I’d attribute some of the blame to her parents or whomever owns that vehicle.

Is driving recklessly really the only symptom of being this emotionally deregulated? Did they not know how stupid or mentally ill she is?

I bet the adults around her did not care or excused her behaviour.

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21 points

I bet her dad was a party clown who was hoping this would happen.

Like where the fuck do you get all of these assumptions from?

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That’s fine, but she still made a conscious decision to do it. If she was one year older, would that make any kind of difference?

And let me be clear: mental illness can make some behaviors more understandable, but not murder– if the blame is put solely on mental illness, all that does is put more stigma on it. Not every shitty decision people make is because of “mental illness”.

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Did they not know how stupid or mentally ill she is?

Just want to shout out here as an anxious and depressed person, the vast majority of the mentally ill are not psychopathic murderers. Mental health absolutely pays a role in decision making, but except for super extremely rare cases, it doesn’t turn someone into a murderer.

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I witnessed this in a case. Young driver wasn’t paying attention and crossed the line, struck head on and killed an elderly woman on her way to chemotherapy, no joke.

On the recommendation and impassioned pleas of the victim’s family, the defendant plead a manslaughter charge down to a $75 fine for failure to maintain lane or some such infraction. I don’t remember all the facts but was struck by the forward thinking and empathy. The young driver was truly remorseful, part of the pleas were that he had suffered enough, that the memory of what he had done was punishment enough.

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Definitely not the same situation at all. This wasn’t some distracted driver, she had literally threatened to do exactly this before.

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From what I can tell, they never claimed it was the same situation. They said they’ve seen victims asking for a reduction in punishment, that’s all.

Chill out and stop jumping on people for something they never said.

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14 points

Sounds like that was an accident, not homicide. That isn’t the same thing.

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6 points

Did you read the grandparent comment?

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I was reacting to the specific quote above.

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12 points

That’s a nice story, in a way, but not even remotely close to this case.

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13 points

It’s a direct response to another comment, not to the article.

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What the fuck are you on about?

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Yeah man. I can say I would like to think I would be that forgiving of a person, but I probably wouldn’t.

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