Ex-Tesla employee reveals shocking details on worker conditions: ‘You get fired on the spot.’::Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s ‘ultra hardcore’ work culture is revealed to have led to long hours, unsafe conditions, and harassment for employees.

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197 points

As a western European, to me the problem isn’t that they’re fired on the spot, but that a company can actually do that. You guys should’ve fought for your rights.

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71 points

Welcome to ‘at-will employment’ America, where you can fire anyone for any reason as long as they can’t prove it was because you are one of the protected classes under the Civil Rights Act (does not include LGBT+ people). They can literally fire you because they don’t like your ears.

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And political views aren’t a protected class. 🤡 World.

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Are you comparing an intentional political stance that someone (hopefully) reasoned themselves into as equally inescapable of the colour of one’s skin, or sexual orientation?

Crazy thought, if you’re getting put on blast due to your political views you absolutely do not need to continue sharing them with the class.

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4 points

Hey! What’s wrong with my ears??

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4 points

Too round. Return your passkey and get out.

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9 points

(does not include LGBT+ people)

Yes it does.

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74 points

80 years of living in the church of capitalism will do that to you.

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28 points

Not to mention protesting likely means becoming homeless. It means losing insurance, it means losing you car insurance and likely paying a hefty premium when you can get it again. It means losing access to food, Healthcare. It means risking being barred from future employment.

So let’s vote? Well turns out your district is shaped like a contorted snake, and unless you convince 60% of people who will vote for any loony who hates the same people they do, to help their neighbor for once, well you’re SOL.

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Leaving your job doesn’t automatically mean becoming homeless and starving. That is a pretty extreme and unrealistic stance.

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3 points

Looking good for your age!

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15 points

Too many of us thought of ourselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

I did when I was a teenager, it seems most of our parents never grew out of being teenagers.

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6 points

Too many of us thought of ourselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

Don’t know why that was in past tense. This is still such a massive issue in American society.

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I do think it’s good to create a healthy culture that respects workers, but I don’t understand why being able to fire an employee is a bad thing

Imagine you’re not allowed to fire people you don’t like who you think are doing a bad job at work

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32 points

It’s obviously not forbidden to fire people. You just can’t do it like that, because you woke up grumpy that particular morning. Employees are highly protected in France, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be fired.

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You just can’t do it like that, because you woke up grumpy that particular morning

That should be fine though, that’s freedom of association, why force people to work together who don’t want to do so?

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13 points

Indeed. That still happens. Just you have to have a valid reason to fire them. Not liking someone is a petty reason to fire someone. Not doing their job is another thing altogether.

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the “valid reason” is you don’t like them, why would we want to force people to work together who don’t like each other?

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18 points

Yeah it’s not all or nothing though. You’re acting like outside the US it’s impossible to fire people. That’s simply not even remotely true.

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51 points

USA. The no vacation nation.

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they can’t, really. they probably see a lot of wrongful termination lawsuits, and try to settle them out of court.

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13 points

Wrongful termination suits are hard to win. If they can point at you failing to do your job in any way your case is shot.

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-12 points

The trade off between job security and arbitrary firings and people who are unproductive but can’t be fired.

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18 points

The first is a problem for the worker, the second is mainly a problem for the employer.

While I bet that the employers claim that it’s impossible to do and will lead to the downfall of the economy it has worked just fine in Europe.

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11 points

And yet productivity is very similar between the US and Europe…

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Population density, it’s easy to protest when the capital is just 30 minutes away by bike like it is in a lot of Western European countries.

Conversely, I’m an American, it will take days for me to reach the nearest major city by car… it will take me around 2.5 hours to reach the newest minor City.

I live in North Carolina by the way.

You could drive through three countries in Western europe, by the time I could get to my nation’s capital. My nation’s capital is in virginia, that is the state north of me.

Much of our population lives in California, Texas, and New York, all much much further away from Washington DC then where I live.

Combine that with the fact that a lot of us can’t take any days off of work without falling way behind on our bills, and even if the capital was somewhere where we could all get to it to hold picket signs… there is simply too much to lose, the workers of the world can’t Unite when there is more on the table than our chains. I hate it here

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9 points

I get your point that the US is big, but it shouldn’t take days to get to a major city from anywhere in NC. It’s what, a 9 hour drive to Washington from the furthest end of NC?

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Maybe 10 hours if you’re in Murphy and there’s a rock slide. If you’re on Ocracoke island after 9 PM you might have to wait for morning for the next ferry.

Also, it’s REAL hard to be 6 hours away from Charlotte while you’re in either of the Carolinas, as long as you can travel at the Interstate speed limits. You should be able to drive from Bath to Boone in about 10 hours.

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Ok I’m not even from the states, but you should be able to get to Washington DC in less than a day from North Carolina. Hell, anywhere on the east coast is within 5 hours from a huge metropolitan centre

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Fellow Tarheel here, and bud if it takes you “days” to drive to the nearest major city, you should have your car looked at. I drove from San Diego to Raleigh in 60 hours once.

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Notice how that’s almost three days

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1 point

Why don’t you protest on the steps of the company you work at?

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3 points

Do you walk to those cities or what?

Do you think that in Europe we all live right next to the capital or even next to one of the top 4 biggest cities of our country?

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-2 points

I literally already said that the times listed were driving. America as a country is too big for protest to be a feasible solution.

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4 points

No way. That would be un American. /s

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