During the last few days I noticed a few people demanding that every Ukrainian refugee in Germany who is of able bodied age should be forced back to Ukraine to either fight on the front or work in ammunition factories or hospitals. As far as I can tell no major publication or politician has echoed this sentiment yet. I hope that will stay this way. But the sheer audacity with which these people demanded strangers to be sent to their death is astounding. “Fighting to the last Ukrainian” really is something they want and it sickens me.
Basically since people here have been affected, at least economically, a lot of the popular support has waned.
Interesting. Here in Germany we can also feel the sanctions quite a lot. Electrical bills also went up and big concerns announced that they would leave Germany and outsource their production to somewhere else. So a lot of people are afraid they could end up jobless in a while. And yet support for Ukraine is not going down. I think it just makes people more bloodthirsty.
We have had our arguments over territory, but by and large the average person here have never had a very anti-Russian point of view to begin with. It was a pretty popular language to study for business reasons, because we do so much trade with them. We also don’t have much of a connection to Ukraine.
I think a lot of the Japanese opposition was more a “war is bad” point of view, as opposed to “russia is evil”. Which results in people just wanting a resolution as soon as possible. On the other hand there’s not a good understanding of the circumstances that caused the war, and the news doesn’t really report on it. So there are still plenty of people who think Putin woke up one one day and decided to invade for no real reason. They just would still prefer the killing stops now.
I mean, it is going down. You can see it by the rising numbers for the AfD. While people will likely never outright go “this is a waste of time, let’s ditch Ukraine to save ourselves” there’s a lot of people going for the party they think will give them just that - and it happens to be the far-right - who have no qualms about supporting Russia over questions of morality and aren’t constantly infighting.
The whole War in Ukraine really was the nightmare scenario for the left.
Could it be that people in Germany have the idea that if evil Putin is defeated, everything will just return to normal?
So they are rabidly in support of a war that actively makes theirs lives worse on the grounds that if they “win” then things will just go back to normal, but if they “lose” then all the bad things that are happening due to their involvement in the war will become permanent?
Maybe but then again Annalena Baerbock herself said that things won’t go back to being normal “even after Ukraine has won”.
So it might be self delusion at this point.
Hmm. I’m not sure then. It could be that they just don’t believe her? Libs do tend to reject news they don’t like to hear, even from “trusted sources.”
I’m trying to make sense of support for Ukraine in Europe. In my own country it makes sense, because Rupert Murdoch tells us to jump and the public all reads in the headlines exactly how high.
But in a country where the war is causing worsening material conditions? I would’ve thought the propaganda can only go so far before people start to care more about their own lives and livelihoods than some abstract “war” in another nation.
I remember a lot of predictions around the first winter during this war, that Europe would stop their support due to preferring not to freeze to death or go into massive debt to prevent it, but it seems that the increased cost of living, gas especially, hasn’t dampened their spirits too much, so I’m really wondering why they’re so ok with this. It could just be a loud minority who are wealthy enough to not be majorly effected, while the poorer people support the war far less I suppose.
I would like to know more about the state of things over there if you’ve got more information for me.
