8 years of waiting for Ukraine to start implementing Minsk agreement just to see NATO arming them instead.

The fact is that both Merkel and Hollande (guarantors of Minsk II) have publicly admitted that Minsk was merely to buy time for Ukraine to militarize itself, and was not a serious attempt to pursue peace between both countries. Ukraine was going to invade Donbass and Crimea sooner or later, Russia only realized this after stupidly waiting for 8 years.

Like it or not, United Russia is a capitalist party that wanted to increase business ties with Europe and make money. Do you seriously think that Putin invaded Ukraine not knowing they would get sanctioned by the entire Western world and losing hundreds of billions of their oligarchs’ money? The Minsk agreement was their compromise - to return Donbass to Ukraine in an attempt to make amends with Europe. The communists are the ones who continued their support and aid to the Donbass militias all these years.

the invasion was a terrible idea that has greatly harmed Russia and Russian interests

speaking a bit soon, aren’t we? Also we’ll never get to see what the alternative was.

VASTLY worsened Russia’s strategic position vis a vis the west.

USSR asked to join NATO in 1954. They were told “no.” Then NATO let west germany in and appointed a bunch of “former” nazis to key positions. Russia tried to join NATO in 2002. Were told “no.” Russia supported America in its reactionary “war on terror.” and that still didn’t tighten Russia’s relationship with “the west.” turns out the only thing that can make Russia have a better relationship with the west is balkanizing themselves, breaking up into dozens of tiny republics, and privatizing everything, because the west’s vision for Yugoslavia is the same vision it has for Russia. Turns out there is nothing Russia can do to have a better relationship with the west. Because the west isn’t mutually interested in a better relationship. The west is interested in balkanizing and privatizing former soviet nations. To punish them for having the audacity for being socialist once upon a time. To make sure it never happens again. To turn them into neocolonies. Ukraine has tried to have a better relationship with the west. What did it get them? It got them to sacrifice themselves by the thousands in a western proxy war in exchange for not even a NATO membership. Ukraine is getting balkanized and privatized on NATO’s behalf.

Oh, and the sanctions? They aren’t working. Russia is still selling gas to Europe, just through third parties. The entire situation is a reactionary shitshow, and the chief responsibility lies with the imperial core for deliberately instigating the conflict for years and years and years. Russia’s options were to allow itself to get slowly encircled, or to ruin its “reputation” with a bunch of reactionary capitalist nations. It chose the latter.

Russia is reactionary and capitalist too? No shit! How did that happen? The west was gleeful when the Russian federation came into existence.

There is no evidence that Russia ever seriously meant to give up its influence over the D/LPRs.

Minsk what? Ok no evidenc-Minsk 2 what?

Ya’ll could have a Minsk 3 and then 4 years of ukraine bombing people they supposedly want to reintegrate into their country and still find it hard to fault the ukranian state

That’s what the Minsk agreements were all about.

In the 12-point protocol included the adoption of the “On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts” that was passed in Ukraine’s parliament in September 2014. It would grant increased autonomy to the local governments in Donbass. And as you will note, this was a bill from the Ukrainian parliament - meaning that Donbass will be returned to Ukraine but with the conditions of having more local autonomy.

To elaborate further, the protests against the Maidan coup government stemmed from the fact that the very first act of the new regime was repealing the Kolesnycheno-Kivalov Language Law that was approved in 2012, which granted the regional language status to Russian and other languages. The Russian-speaking population in eastern Ukraine obviously saw it as an infringement on their language rights, and started to protest, which eventually devolved into a separatist movement and then a full-fledged civil war (most significantly fueled by the the Odessa Trade Union House massacre by the fascists).

So, an important resolution to the conflict in Ukraine would be for the Donbass regions with Russian-speaking majority population to have autonomy when it comes to protecting their cultural identities, such that someone in Kyiv cannot simply impose a nationwide ban on certain languages without regards for the local population in the regions.

Ukraine refused to implement Minsk.

Definitely more breathing room

Much easier for the communists to defeat the Russian state than all of NATO

These exact parallels have been discussed here quite a bit. The class breakdown of China in WW2 was that the communists (representing the landless peasants and proletariat) built a temporary alliance with the national bourgeois (the local owners) in order to fight outside colonizers, invaders and the international bourgeois (global imperialist capital hegemony).

Russia, Iran, Syria, Belarus, Brazil and others are currently representing the national bourgeois in this alliance with the proletariat states of China, Cuba, DPRK, Venezuela, Vietnam, etc. They are temporarily allied to defeat the greater enemy, the international bourgeois of imperialist capital (NATO, America, UK, EU, Israel, Anglo-nations).

They have stated their position very clearly, you don’t need to go off “impressions”. They understand how anti-imperialism works. DPRK has never once in its history supported an imperialist war and have been on the correct side on basically every single conflict. They have a 100% track record in my view.

For sure, I just didn’t want to type out a whole argument spelling out Lenin’s definition of imperialism and analyzing Russia’s economy and foreign policy

Well every single western leftist poo pooed Syria and Russia for a decade, and now most realize that the anti-imperialists were correct and Syria/Russia were the side to be supported against the imperialists invaders and their proxies (ISIS, Turkey, US, etc). Just like Iraq should be supported against the US during the American invasion and Libya should have been supported while it was under attack. Nations being invaded by imperialists deserve critical support, regardless of if they are bourgeois capitalist states or not.

Not all capitalist nations are imperialist.

I’m going to trust DPRK’s assessment of the war over the westerners who have shown consistent patterns of chauvinist errors in regards to analysis of geopolitics. There’s a reason why Russia is allied with every single AES nation on Earth, do you really think every socialist nation is wrong and you have the perfect analysis from within the bowels of the empire?

no one here doesn’t agree that NATO should stop arming ukraine and withdraw, the rhetorical sheen of ‘critical support’ or ‘defeatism’ doesn’t change the priorities of western leftists, but it gives everyone around here endless excuses to lecture each other about the way they talk about it being more “marxist” and “materialist”. it doesn’t matter what we call it, all that matters is pressuring natio governments to stop perpetuating the war

its a war to protect the Russian minority of theDonbass againt the assault by the western Backed Nationalist.

If you deny the 2014-2022 war and then call it a Imperialistic war You follow 1:1 the Imperialistic “Atrocity- Propagnda- Narrative” … which is a Untrue narrative… like every Narrative before was (Sarin-Gas , Tonkin Bay , USS Maine …etc… ) as it tries to turn around “Cause and Effect” and make the Victims the Perputrators and the Perputrators the Victim…

Dont support Nazis , even if its “allowed” by your Media .