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-37 points

didn’t Mao make horrible changes that caused the worst famine ever

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68 points

No, it wasn’t the worst famine in history, and Mao didn’t personally cause it. China had horrible famines every few years for Millennia, the fact that it happened once under socialism can’t be attributed to socialism. China hasn’t had any famine since, so historically Socialism has done a lot to end famine.

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Imagine a machine that routinely breaks down. You take over maintenance for it, it breaks once more, then under your care never again. The story is that you finally fixed the machine, not that it broke down for the 100th time at the start of your tenure.

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To reinforce your point:

Between 108 BC and 1911 AD, there were no fewer than 1,828 recorded famines in China, or once nearly every year in one province or another.

Sauce.

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Isn’t it funny how yankees will accuse anyone they’ve got an existential enmity with of “causing” a “genocidal” drought like these OPFOR are like-- mystical 9th level shamans that can just point at the land and say “wither”? While we’re on the subject, if the droughts of Mao’s time were a genocide, then shouldn’t you really ought to consider the Dust Bowl one too?

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45 points

When it happens in the US, its a natural disaster.

When it happens elsewhere, its caused by a person.

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The genocidal Dust Bowl was the personal fault of H. Hoover and FDR. They waved their wands of dryness and directly caused the droughts.

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They waved their wands of dryness and directly caused the droughts.

Oh, I always thought it was forbidden Colonizer magic that did it, I didn’t know it was just wands of dryness :o

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21 points

unironically the dust bowl was the result of the genocide of native peoples & homesteading policies, not natural processes.

but these were over the duration of several decades, not a single presidential administration.

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Nobody died during the Dust Bowl. John Steinbeck is a fucking liar. Actually, if anything, the population boomed and everything was even more awesome. FDR was the one that killed everybody. Things under Coolidge and Hoover were going great. You’ve just been fooled by all those insidious college Marxists who never took a simple Econ 101 class in their lives.

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23 points

“John Steinbeck is a fucking liar” has me fucking cackling

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45 points

Idk how much of that was Big Evil Mao telling people to kill the Four Pests and how much of that was the lingering consequences of a 40 year long Japanese genocidal occupation, brutal civil war, and attendant refugee crises. But if you’re really interested in what farm life during the era of Chinese Revolution looked like, there’s an excellent historical documentary called “Fanshen” that details the day-to-day life in Long Bow Village from '45 to '48 during the land-reform campaign.

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35 points

relative to Mao’s famine (if we blame every action to Mao) then India was having frequent famines and droughts which caused millions of deaths , misery and poverty .

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32 points

I believe that was Stalin and his comically-large spoon.

FR though, read into these famines a bit closer. It sounds like your sources may have passed over some of the context surrounding these famines.

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7 points

Wrong Tankie. It was Mao who paid the Yellow River to flood.

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