The Balkenkreuz goes back to the Teutonic Order. The Nazis used it a lot which is why the Bundeswehr didn’t, but that doesn’t mean that painting a cross in a rush makes you a Nazi.

Seriously, what do you think soldiers in the field trying to not get shot at by their own guys are thinking about. I’ll give you a hint: Whether it’s more important to be camouflaged to the enemy or identifiable for friendlies, that’s it. Ukraine is using a simplified version of the Cossack Cross for that purpose, it’s a native part of their symbolism and easily distinguishable from the stuff Russians use. If everything that looks like a cross is now a Balkenkreuz and therefore Nazi you might want to take it up with various Christian Churches.

Oh and just for the record you’ll get arrested in Germany for showing the Z in a Russia/Ukraine context, including as a St. George Ribbon.

You didn’t answer it then either.

Why would someone move from the swastika to another German symbol used by the SS?

There are infinite symbols and they chose that one.

Are you just that gullible to believe that’s innocent or what? Actually don’t answer, we both know this is a game to you.

So they change their flag from one symbol widely used by Nazis to another symbol widely used by Nazis, but somehow that doesn’t make them Nazis.

Care must therefore be used to correctly interpret this symbol in whatever context in which it may be found

The context is it’s a widely-known Nazi symbol on a flag for a battalion whose members frequently express neo-Nazi views. What other fucking context do you need?

Last magazine landing page on wayback is June 2022, first gambling landing page June 2023. Domain must’ve lapsed somewhere in between, which tracks with National Corps getting out of politics.

None of this really matters. You’re overly focused on “they stopped”. The fascists haven’t disappeared nor have they stopped promoting their views within society. Moving to different tactics isn’t a win for anyone, it’s like a person playing peekaboo by hiding behind their hands but somehow liberals actually think they’ve disappeared.

Also as a body politic the Brits are muppets. They fucking had a referendum on introducing proportional representation and voted against it, can you believe that.

Yes. I was there. The liberals caused it by calling for it immediately after Nick Clegg betrayed their voters on his one and only promise of not fucking over student fees, with students making up the majority of the base. The response to the proportional representation vote was largely coloured by the response to Clegg.

Egged on by Russian assets when it comes to Brexit I wouldn’t deny it but they’re perfectly capable of being bellends all on their own.

Nah not really. Libs love this shit but both we marxists and conservative eurosceptics had been promoting euroscepticism for 30+ years. The greatest foreign influence was american capitalists seeking to strip the country, which they’re still doing.

And, do they? Svoboda, Right Sector, all are deeply unpopular in Ukraine.

No. Again you are making a mistake. Votes are not popularity. 35% of people here in the UK support socialism (not social democracy, socialism) but that doesn’t translate to a socialist party getting those votes. Not because of a lack of popular but because there is considerable complexity in who gets those votes. If you’re German you know this, you know the voters leaving SPD for AfD aren’t doing so because AfD they agree with all of its politics but because they don’t see any other viable options to use and they want to punish the major parties to send a message.

Bandera is a complicated topic, and not distinguishing between Bandera the Nazi (collaborator) and antisemite and Bandera the national hero is disingenuous.

No it’s not. You are literally falling for the fascist propaganda now. This is one of many methods the fascists in ukraine have successfully laundered his image. You should be very concerned that if it is possible for the Ukrainian nationalists to do this with Bandera it is also possible for the German nationalists to do this with Hitler.

Ukraine also has the lowest rate of antisemitism among eastern European states and a Jew is President, witch actually higher approval ratings than Bandera.

Again irrelevant. Ukrainian fascism isn’t nazism. Much like Italian fascism was not, nor was Spanish nor Chilean, nor Indian etc etc. Fascism conforms to the national conditions and presents itself differently each time. The use of the word “nazis” here is just to communicate the level of threat really. Their main concern at the current point in time is eliminating the Russian ethnicity alongside the Roma, whose camps they have consistently destroyed and murdered throughout this war. Moving onto other targets like the high proportion of greeks in Donbass would follow, there have been a number of Greeks in donbass who have spoken out about the Ukrainians attacking them, particularly in mariupol they did not like them (you don’t need to watch all of this it’s just the only place I know of for this particular clip from Greek tv I wanted to share, the first 5 mins or so is worth your time though).

I kind of view Bandera in the same way as Churchill who, by all means, was a monster of a politician. And not in the positive way ask e.g. Bengals. Or take the founding fathers as worshipped by Americans, (nearly? not sure about the details) all of them slave owners in one way or the other yet we don’t commonly call people with a Washington boner advocates of slavery. Stauffenberg was a monarchist yet he’s getting honoured by the Bundeswehr, trying to assassinate Hitler washes over his iffy politics.

Churchill is a monster who should have been regarded as one, but was not because war. There’s a considerable difference between laundering someone without a reason and this.

If anything if you want a hero of Ukrainian nationalism then the real hero of Ukrainian nationalism is Lenin who created the country entirely.

Stauffenberg was a monarchist yet he’s getting honoured by the Bundeswehr, trying to assassinate Hitler washes over his iffy politics.

You’re being naive again. This is an excuse to honour him, because the people pushing the honouring know what kind of laundering effect it has on the figure and the ideology that figure represents.

You’re talking to an Anarchist. And recommend Marxist analysis. I think I’ll pass on being educated by a Marxist on, of all things, power.

I grew up in squats and spent 30 years of my life as an anarchist. We probably don’t differ politically as much as you think. I am an ML because we have a timelimit from the climate crisis that is going to see millions of refugees pour into europe very soon. The destabilisation this will cause will be on the scale of nothing we’ve ever seen before and only ML theory has the track record of revolution needed to save at least a some people in the coming chaos when the opportunities to seize states begin. You saw what just tens of thousands of Syrian refugees did to stability in Europe with your own eyes, in particular you must have seen this in Germany. You should know as well as I do exactly what tens of millions will cause. As an anarchist I could not sit by knowing my ideological toolkit was not equipped to try and deal with the death that is coming, and I could not sit around and think myself a moral person knowing exactly what the future holds yet not doing everything in my power to help people. The correct toolkit for the time limits we have is marxism leninism. Will I go back to the black afterwards? Possibly. I’ll cross that bridge when it comes as we have no idea what things will look like in the aftermath of it all.

I know full well why you’re an anarchist. But I really do ask you to wrestle with the question of what is equipped to save the most lives in all of this. States suck, we all dislike them, we’re all in the left because we want them abolished, marxists and anarchists both. But lives are what matter here.