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Euthanasia advocates are generally a compassionate bunch, and nitrogen asphyxiation has been proposed numerous times in that space. I don’t think it’s fair to vilify its usage just because you look down upon the states that have legalized it’s usage in this capacity.

I’ve also personally blacked out from a lack of oxygen, and I can tell you it was far too sudden for me to comprehend I was about to die, let alone process potential pain.

I am against capital punishment, but if we’re going to do it, the current methods are far too brutal. We need to be accepting of new alternatives, especially ones that historically have been effective in other contexts.

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nitrogen asphyxiation has been proposed numerous times in that space

And never approved, for clearly stated reasons.

I don’t think it’s fair to vilify its usage just because you look down upon the states that have legalized it’s usage

It’s not that my reason for opposing state-sanctioned torture murder is that I don’t like those states. While I’m sure there are some positive aspects of two of those states, there’s no one thing that those three have in common with ONLY each other that isn’t awful.

It’s like how Orban and Mohdi are both amongst the worst tyrants in the world, but they agree on very little. That loving Putin is one of the few things they both do is very fitting. Likewise with these three states and nitrogen torture murder.

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I mean how many progressive stars have the death penalty? Most of the pushback towards it is because you could never design an ethical test, and that prisons might make a mistake (such as impure nitrogen).

Lethal injections have a 7% failure rate, so at least 1 in every 14 executions are already botched.

“The odds of being tortured to death by lethal injection are pretty substantial. The odds of a botch with nitrogen hypoxia are uncertain,” Dunham told CNN. “I think it’s a choice to avoid a sure bad thing, as opposed to an affirmative embrace of nitrogen hypoxia.”

These are the same arguments that got the electric chair, and lethal injection approved. So unless we are going back to a firing line (which is practically painless, just messy), why not try to make it more ethical?

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So what you’re saying is, because we know that all the other methods of state murder are inhumane, we should try one we know fuckall about on the extremely slim chance that it MIGHT be any less cruel.

There’s nothing ethical about murdering humans in the first place and doing it in new completely unknown ways that might be worse and doctors are warning will probably be excruciating makes it much LESS ethical. Maybe we should try NOT murdering for a while, see how we feel about things being more civilized and less dehumanising.

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