Comment by pjhenry1216@kbin.social on When somebody asks why you're a vegan

People have been saying that for decades. It doesn’t work. I never understood the concept of “protests shouldn’t make me feel uncomfortable or inconvenience me.” That kind of undercuts the purpose of a protest and trying to spread a message. If you make it so it’s easy to ignore, it doesn’t work. Without fail there’s always the “ugh, someone who tries to make me feel bad about torturing and killing animals is simply not going to convince me to do otherwise.” It’s such a shitty excuse.

Yeah, I can see how being an unrepentant dildo is really winning people over to the cause!

You are failing then. Because most people are barely getting by and having holier than thou people trying to belittle them just means they are going to view the movement as a bunch of self righteous tools.

I’m generally not confrontational and honestly usually tell people to try their best, but I get tired of people coming to a vegan community and being assholes.

The excuses are always weak because no is trying to convince you or even themselves. They’re politely telling you to fuck off because your type is known for being confrontational and they don’t want to be dragged into an argument.

You’re trying to tell people to cut off the majority of their food supply. That’s an idea that is frankly absurd for most people and it’s a little annoying that egoactivist vegans haven’t taken the hint.

no is trying to convince you or even themselves

You came to a vegan community and insulted them. Are you fucking dense? You’re being confrontational.

I gave you an explanation as to why the excuses are weak. As well as letting you know it’s not a messaging problem, we’re just not going to do what you say no matter what you want.

That’s hardly an insult, unless reading my comment forced you to a sudden realization that you aren’t the moral center of the universe. Then sorry I guess. If you don’t want to hear from meat eaters maybe don’t fucking lecture us?

Lecture you? In a vegan community? Are you dense? What do you expect to hear here? And I told you why your supposed claim was full of shit. And you came up with a bunch of other well-worn bullshit as to why it was ok for it to be shit.

Act like an ass about veganism in a vegan community and then your shocked when someone gets insulted. Your either a troll or lack any social skills whatsoever because your inability to see why that’s a shitty move is telling.

There’s no need to continue this. You’re either a troll or an idiot. I ignore those folks.

The main post is lecturing meat eaters, in a very condescending way. Just in case your b12 deficiency made you forget that. The real tragedy is there’s no satisfactory result when I google “strongest word in the english language for stupid.” But judging my intelligence when you’re at the bottom of the totem pole is kind of funny.

That’s an insult, see the difference?

so just as a thought experiment, if you saw what was essentially a modern day holocaust, how would you go about convincing people that willfully(or through lack of knowledge) ignore it? Would you just say "oh I’d better not cause a scene, that would be really egotistical of me "? also cut change != cut off, there are vegan options for a huge range of palates, we are just so used to the current meat diet that anything else feels alien, despite other societies doing fine with these diets.

prey animals != humans; prey animals < predator animals

If you have a problem with that, idk lecture a lion or something.

We put more animals through factory farms per year than any other animal kills, and it’s not even close. https://animalclock.org/

humans have the ability to reason and empathize, and do not need to kill to survive, all things a lion or any other predator animal cannot do. Humans generally agree might makes right is not acceptable for a society, except when it comes to our food apparently.

It sucks that lions have to kill other animals. If I had the ability to convince them of that and provide them with an alternative besides death I would. You are not a lion though so I can try to convince you, and lions do a lot of other things you would not choose to emulate.

It’s also a false equivalency. What lions do is nothing compared to the enslavement and torture that happens at an unfathomable scale in animal ag. The brutality of nature is overstated in most human narratives.

TBH, I’d rather live in a meat farm and then get a bolt shoved through my skull than get fucking eaten alive even if one lasts vastly longer than the other. And living in a capitalist society, I’m already halfway there.

Which is what happens to wild prey animals if they aren’t dying from some horrible parasite or didn’t get impaled by a rutting bull.

The reason I mentioned wild vs livestock life is because I think people are fooling themselves when they believe the average animal who lives in the wild has a worse life than the average animal in the ag industry. You are choosing to focus on the moments before death which is just a fraction of what an animal experiences, and is assisted by natural endorphins. A life of persistent confinement, abuse, and building trauma is worse than most pain imaginable, I’d rather be flayed alive when my time comes than have to live as a typical industry pig does for even a few months.

And lets not act like livestock are even afforded a quick death, often being shipped to a remote site and corralled into a place full of the smells, sounds, and sights of death. Working in slaughterhouses often causes humans trauma and they aren’t even the ones on the chopping block. And that’s if you’re lucky, most pigs are collectively slaughtered in gas chambers.

Enough of what was supposed to be an aside though. The point is that you can make a choice to not participate in a system of enslavement, torture, and killing. It has nothing to do with what lions do, and you wouldn’t use lions to justify other awful behavior.

Even hunting is wrong. Even though it doesn’t bring all of the terrible living conditions from animal ag, it’s still ending lives that you don’t have to. That’s really the point, we have a choice, so we have a moral obligation. Taking a life when it isn’t necessary for survival is wrong in most cases.

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