People in the west should stop this madness …hek whom am I kidding ,they won’t .

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Putin holds far more power as an individual within his country than any western head of state does

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.

they are tools of the capitalist class more than anything else. Yes, neither Putin nor Western leaders care about working class people, but that doesn’t make them identical…

Yes it does lol. My dude you are so close…

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Why? The Western political system is more resilient and powerful, but that means that the individual people who are part of that system (including the heads of state) have less power over that system they can exert by themselves.

Is the Western capitalist class more powerful? Yes. Are the political systems that function for their benefit more powerful? Also yes. But are the individuals who temporarily serve as heads of state more powerful within that system? Resoundingly no.

And yeah, the relationship between the Russian capital class and that of the Western capital class and the respective workers under their thumb is identical, but that doesn’t mean that the relationship they have with the political leaders is identical. In the West politicians are arguably more like well paid employees of the capitalists, while in Putin’s case there’s a more equal footing.

Does that make a difference to the people at the bottom? No. Does it make those situations identical? Also no.

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Is the Western capitalist class more powerful? Yes.

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Yeah fucking duh, but that wasn’t the point we were arguing, my guy.

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Power within their own country, I meant, and it was abundantly clear. Also, I was talking about Western leaders in general, and even if your example is an argument against what I said it applies to only one country.

That’s not to defend the nuclear button or the US in general. But come on, my guy. We’re talking about the power they hold over the people and how they relate to the capital class, and the US’ dodgy nuclear weapons policies honestly have little to do with that.

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