We need the ability to tag users on Lemmy so that when we figure out that someone is a tankie or an anti-Canadian propagandist we can tag them so that the next time we see them comment we know they are a bad faith actor and can respond appropriately (and by appropriately I mean not wasting our time trying to have a good faith discussion.)
EDIT:
NegativeYoda said that Sync for Lemmy had the functionality I was looking for so I checked it out.
It does.
I was able to (temporarily) highlight NY in red like a banned user and tag him as a tankie. This week makes my lemmy experience much less frustrating. I’ve ashtray done the same (for real) to several obvious bad actors so I don’t get drawn into a discussion with someone who has no intention of participating in good faith.
I don’t want to live in an echo bunker. I have encountered very few people on Lemmy who I needed to block personally. In fact, there are only four on my blocked list and I have no idea why they’re there. I suspect that I accidentally blocked them while trying to do something else.
Blocking someone on Reddit took them out of the conversation. Blocking someone on Lemmy takes you out of the conversation.
Sync has this functionality if you pay for it
I just use the very free and very effective block function
My beliefs aren’t so fragile that I need to protect them from beliefs that don’t agree. We need to engage with the extremists. We need to call them out and let each other know that the person we are talking to is a bad faith actor who isn’t interested in a discussion or understands but to simply spread their extremist message of hate and intolerance. If we block them they continue unchallenged.
If we block them they continue unchallenged.
That’s why they should be blocked at the instance level, not individual users.
Engage them? No thanks. All that does is help train their LLMs.
If you have the energy for that, go nuts.
Being that the bulk of the loudmouths are bad faith trolls no sort of reasoned discussion is going to get through.
If enough people block them they eventually get quarantined into their own echo chambers and the oxygen of getting off on pwning the libs will run out
You know, I hadn’t heard the term “tankie” before coming to Lemmy/Kbin, and at this point I’m lost again on what it’s supposed to mean. I have a general idea but it seems to mostly just be a malleable catch-all for “someone I don’t like who possible sort of leans one way a bit on some things”. Like how “boomer” has become super over-ueed boogeyman term for “someone older than me I don’t like”.
Seems like a lazy way to categorize tribally, and group people as “others”. Or am I getting it totally wrong?
Your total misunderstanding perfectly proves the point of the previous post about “tankie” being a term picked up by the far-right and taken way beyond its meaning.
Tankies are authoritarian far left types, such as for example Stalinists (so, not just any general Communist, but the kind of Communist that has a hard-on for “strong leaders” who murder by the millions those who such leaders themselves deem as “enemies of the Party”). They’re the Nazis of the Left (which is probably why they’re right alongside actual Nazis and assorted fascists in siding with Putin against Ukraine).
Meanwhile woke people are just moral liberals, often not even being leftwing in the true sense of the word because they don’t actually care about inequality in general or about a better life for the many, but instead are selective about the “injustices” they care about, invariably leaving out wealth-inequality (the biggest source of discriminatory treatment by a very large margin) and often claiming their own “identitarian” group is a “victim” of “injustice” and demanding compensation, which is really just doing what’s best for themselves personally but hidding behind the group, in other words being greedy whilst using leftie-like political structures and language.
In the Left-Right political axis, “woke” covers a wide range from “mildly leftwing” to “business loving hard-core neoliberal” (neoliberalism is just “money liberalism” so it dovetails nicelly with moral liberalism), because “woke” it’s not at all about the greatest good for the greatest number but rather it’s about freedom in the moral sphere.
What a tankie actually is, is a ML who supports violent force against a population - Hence being named after the Soviets driving tanks into Hungary to stop a revolution.
Right wingers have taken this word and think it applies to anything left wing they don’t like when it’s just a leftist anti-authoritarity term used for ML chuds.
I recall someone saying the term originates somewhere online, and describes literally those who are cool with the tanks coming out and government authoritarianism, so long as the people being run over by the tanks are seen as fascist righties.
But the other comment sums it up pretty well, the lefty extremist Boogeyman is real, it’s just a tiny minority being amplified. The right don’t like 'em, the rest of us don’t like 'em either.
Tankies are auth left. They support the policies of Stalin, the CCP, et al and are staunch soviet union defenders and revisionists. It’s an old term from the 80s in the UK
And so people that are anti-cop are Stalinists? That’s how it seems to be used.
Tankies are angry leftists. They’re the alt-left that the extreme right always complains about. I suspect that many of them are actually neo-Nazi trolls trying to prove that they aren’t so bad by cosplaying as tankies. They’re bad faith actors.
Tankie is all about embracing the tanks. They’re the authoritarian left.
Primary beliefs (all stupid and wrong): the Soviets and People’s Liberation Army can do/did no wrong. Russia is still Soviet and still the good guys. Ukraine is a conspiracy from the West that is actually Nazi. Any geopolitical problems are the fault of the West who behaves as a complete bloc and is literally only motivated by the capital interest of billionaires. Africa and the subcontinent are the world good guys (just conveniently ignore literally anything bad that happens there). Lots of Islamophobia.
As with all authoritarians, it’s all about conspiracy theories. If you try to argue with them, they simply don’t believe counterfactuals or will shift goal posts and start talking about something else entirely.
Most of the angry leftists you encounter, especially in these parts, lean much more towards anarchism. Very different from tankies.
I’m an angry leftist, but I ain’t no tankie. I’m pissed cause I’m middle aged, and have been dealing with over a century of outright lies from the rich.
It’s pretty time consuming tagging people and I’m not sure it’s worth the effort. I did it on reddit for a while but the supply of new assholes is basically endless.
Yes. There are several users here now who are bad faith actors. It would be great to be able to tag them. That way I wouldn’t try to engage in conversation just to become frustrated by their bad faith arguments and insults before recognizing their names. I don’t want to block them because I want to be able to make good faith responses to their nonsense but I want to know that they’re trolls so I don’t get involved in a discussion that isn’t going to go anywhere.
I feel that the ability to tag users is the only thing that Lemmy is missing for me. Maybe all of the actions of these bad actors will inspire the creation of a tagging system.
Thanks for doing that. I have a similar approach.
I really want federated social media to work, and the extremist propaganda is killing it.
