lemm.ee

4 points

1 year ago

With infrastructure for pedestrians to regularly cross major traffic arteries, whether that be regular lights, bridges, etc.

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cheerytext1981@lemmy.ca

10 points

1 year ago

Or, hear me out, the major arteries are designed for people, not cars. Trains, busses, and metros instead of highways and bypasses.

You don’t need cars to move people. That’s a design choice that cities make.

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-1 points

1 year ago

This is a bit of naiive fantasy. How are you going to transport a 90 year old woman from the train station to her house?

You could design the main arteries to all be trains, but ultimately you still need cars for last mile transportation.

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yetAnotherUser@feddit.de

5 points

1 year ago

Buses, electric wheelchairs etc.

Besides the fact that 90 year olds are notoriously terrible drivers and cause quite the number of accidents due to poor reflexes.

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0 points

1 year ago

Buses, electric wheelchairs etc.

Buses don’t go to a house, they go to a bus stop, and the point is that there are people in society too sick and frail to walk a block. You’re not about to put a 90+ year old in an electric wheelchair and tell them to wheel home from the bus stop in the rain or snow.

Yeah cars suck, but it’s deluded fantasy to ignore their clear application. How are you getting your kids and all their sports gear to practice in the winter? How are you transporting building materials to your house or condo through snow?

End of the day if you design bikes to handle that kind of stuff you’ll quickly end up adding more wheels to help balance, a roof to cover you in inclement weather, and more power and suspension to help drive it all, and you’ve suddenly designed a car.

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frostbiker@lemmy.ca

1 point

1 year ago

Buses don’t go to a house, they go to a bus stop, and the point is that there are people in society too sick and frail to walk. You’re not about to put a 90+ year old in an electric wheelchair and tell them to wheel home from the bus stop in the rain or snow.

Why not? A family member can help, just like family members drive frail 90yo people around. What 90yo people shouldn’t do is operate heavy machinery such as a car.

How are you getting your kids and all their sports gear to practice in the winter?

With a cargo bike or a bike with a trailer. Or by walking around with a utility wagon.

How are you transporting building materials to your house or condo through snow?

Rent a van the one day a year that you need to do stuff like that. Don’t pretend it is reasonable for one person to use a 4000lbs pickup truck to commute to work, given the externalities that imposes on other people.

Many families like mine live car-free, so instead of claiming that is impossible you may want to figure out how they do it.

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1 point

1 year ago

Why not? A family member can help, just like family members drive frail 90yo people around. What 90yo people shouldn’t do is operate heavy machinery such as a car.

I have never suggested that they be the ones doing the driving, and no, you’re not just going to wheel them in a wheel chair through snow storm or freezing rain. On top of the potential physical impossibility of pushing a wheel chair through snow, they might literally die on their way to their doctor’s appointment.

With a cargo bike or a bike with a trailer. Or by walking around with a utility wagon.

Again, how are you getting through a snow storm? Or a rain storm? Is your load of thousands of dollars worth of power tools going to be fine sitting in a bike trailer in extreme weather?

Rent a van the one day a year that you need to do stuff like that.

Oh wow, congratulations, now you’ve arrived at the fact that we do needs roads and infrastructure for cars!

Don’t pretend it is reasonable for one person to use a 4000lbs pickup truck to commute to work, given the externalities that imposes on other people.

Bruh, tell me where I said that.

Many families like mine live car-free, so instead of claiming that is impossible you may want to figure out how they do it.

No you don’t, you live a life not owning a car, but you still ultimately need them and some infrastructure to support them when you use taxis/ubers, rent cars, and rely on thousands of workers and people who do use them.

Cities still need to be designed to be able to support cars, they also need to be designed to support pedestrians, cyclists, and to encourage as many people not to use cars as possible, but at a fundamental level cars are and will forever be a necessary part of our last mile transportation infrastructure. Pretending otherwise just makes anti car people look ridiculous and not get taken seriously.

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yetAnotherUser@feddit.de

0 points

1 year ago

How many frail people unable to walk a block are there? Taxis absolutely suffice for your situation, if there is heavy rain or snow fall. In all other weather, they will be able to wheel themselves back home - if they’re unable to operate a wheelchair they probably don’t need much transport anywhere either.

How are kids going to sport practice? Ever heard of bicycles? Heavy equipment is usually short at the sport facility, everything else fits in a bag. Sure, heavy rain absolutely sucks on a bicycle but wearing a jacket and rain resistant pants is enough for usual amounts of rain. Snow isn’t that bad either, as long as the roads are properly salted. And even then, you can drive on icy roads with your bicycle as long as you’re careful.

Source: I frequently drove 5km to school and 6km to sports practice as a child. The worst thing was the difference in altitude, not the weather (there were two 12% inclines on either way).

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1 point

1 year ago

How many frail people unable to walk a block are there?

Literally every single person at some point in their lives.

Taxis absolutely suffice for your situation

And guess what taxis need? Roads and infrastructure for cars!!! And we’re back to my original point already.

Heavy equipment is usually short at the sport facility, everything else fits in a bag.

Lmao, oh yeah, hockey rinks just have warehouses filled with hundreds and hundreds of hockey bags waiting for their owners /s.

This is simply not true for any sports teams that plays in multiple locations around a city, read: all the competitive ones.

Snow isn’t that bad either, as long as the roads are properly salted. And even then, you can drive on icy roads with your bicycle as long as you’re careful

This is abelist nonsense.

Congrats on being a fit young person, yeah it’s easy for us to get around. That is not the case for all and it’s absurd to suggest that cars are not going to be part of our last mile transportation infrastructure.

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