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Well then you tell me what did, I’m intrested to hear “both sides of the story”.

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Ok here’s what happened: Nazis made propaganda to discredit their enemies and you believed that propaganda. Then you went on a website and showed everyone there what an idiot you are, not just because you believe the propaganda and take it as the default, but also because what you’re asking for someone else to explain to you has already been discussed at length in this same thread.

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Alright let’s say I know that, now what is it that made the people die in Ukraine?

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A famine in a region where regular famines occurred every 5 years or so for the last 500 years. Avoidable, had mistakes not been made by central planning in that they trusted what kulaks were reporting as their grain figures and yields when the reality was that they were hoarding for private profit while reporting false figures. This error in oversight meant fields were assigned under yield and not enough was produced. Upon discovering this error was occurring it was swiftly and harshly stamped on by the deployment of the red army to seize hoarded grain, hoarders were executed.

It was the last famine the region ever had after hundreds of years of regular famines, with errors in the system being stamped out simply by having extra checks on numbers instead of trusting the farms in future.

It also did not solely occur in Ukraine. It occurred across the Soviet Union, heavily affecting Poland and Kazakh too, but is not the subject of a persistent campaign to label it genocide propaganda there by literal actual nazis spreading the double genocide myth.

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No, that’s not how it works. You were the one that made the claim Stalin “exported all of his bread to other parts of his empire”, so the burden of proof is on you. Show us.

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I don’t intend to prove it as I’m not here to convince you. I just have a certain point of view, which I shared as it seemed as an apptopriate comment on the post. Now that you present me an alternative narrative, I’m intrested to learn what it is, and as I do not intend to prove mine, you don’t have to prove your’s either. We just have to converse, and that too only if you want to.

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Your ‘view’ is just wrong though. The opening of the Soviet archives has confirmed that the USSR sent significant aid to the famine stricken areas.

https://old.archives.gov.ua/Sections/Famine/Publicat/Fam-Pyrig-1933.php#nom-159

`№ 159 RESOLUTION OF THE PYATYKHATSK SOWING COMMITTEE OF THE DNIPROPETROV Oblast ON PROVIDING FOOD AID TO THOSE IN ACUTE NEED TO KOLHOSPAM AND KOLHOSPNIK

February 7, 1933

  1. Instruct the district department and district supply department to distribute the food loan in relation to the number of people and crops on collective farms in such a way that the sowing committee has at its disposal a reserve of 10% of this amount, and this 10% will also have to be distributed among collective farms, based on the needs of individual collective farms and collective farmers.
  1. From the available loan of 12 thousand pounds of corn in grain, it is considered necessary to provide urgent assistance to the following collective farms:

Moreover, the indicated 8.3 tons are not taken into account in the calculation of these collective farms in the overall distribution of food loans.

  1. Due to the fact that there is a large number of detected cases of swelling in the area, that the area was not sufficiently informed about this and that the assistance provided is insufficient, instruct Comr. Kudrinsky and Salip should write a memorandum to the regional CP(b)U about the current situation and ask the regional sowing committee to provide additional food assistance.

The chairman of the sowing committee Hryshchenko

Partarch of the Dnipropetrovsk Regional Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine. F. 19. Op. 1. Ref. 874. Ark. AND. `

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Libs really do just come in here, parrot literal Nazi propaganda, hand us a fuckin’ assignment to prove it wrong, then just leave without saying anything else after being discredited with several sources cited, over and over again.

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You don’t intend to prove it as you literally can’t because you didn’t plan on being expected to. Don’t try to pull bs on people here. This isn’t Reddit where people with the same viewpoint will updoot you anyway no matter what the facts say.

If you’re actually interested in knowing the full story of this western narrative then you’re free to ask but when you make a snarky remark like that you’ll be confronted about your standpoint and expected to back it up, and trust me when I say we have enough liberals coming in here dropping some regurgitated talking point thinking it’s a mic drop moment only to falter when confronted.

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oh , so suddenly all your Thunder is gone … Damn … howdid that happen… ? Not that you build your identiy on "repeating uncriticly what authority tells me about their enemies "

because this worldview/ Identiy will run into obvious limitations … I advise against it… its detremetal to your Social Standing … next time do

“I heard that he did X , whats up with that accusation”

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