A gun rights group sued New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) and other state officials on Saturday over an emergency order banning firearms from being carried in public in Albuquerque.
The National Association for Gun Rights, alongside Albuquerque resident Foster Haines, filed suit just one day after Grisham announced the public health order temporarily suspending concealed and open carry laws in the city.
The group argued that the order violates their Second Amendment rights, pointing to the Supreme Court’s decision last year in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.
There are tons of examples of people be paralyzed, getting concussions, or killed by people attacking them with fists, blunt objects, or knives when they’re getting mugged. There is only one way I could (if carrying a gun were possible) credibly deter that.
I assume you must be referring to just giving them your wallet, because having a gun doesn’t really protect you from hand to hand violence by an attacker. Fights are risky and guns are a much much better tool for aggression than responding to a suddenly violent situation. Unless they’re calling you out from across the saloon, by the time you know you’re in danger they’re usually too close. Carrying a gun just means you also get to give them your gun, not that you start blasting the bad guys.
I assume you must be referring to just giving them your wallet
You are naive to assume that always resolves it, there are also various reasons that someone cannot afford to do that.
because having a gun doesn’t really protect you from hand to hand violence by an attacker.
Why not?
Fights are risky
Agreed, I’d rather people have the opportunity to get what they can to minimize that risk.
Unless they’re calling you out from across the saloon, by the time you know you’re in danger they’re usually too close.
That’s not true, you can shoot someone who is attacking you still. You can shoot someone who’s running at you with a weapon.
Carrying a gun just means you also get to give them your gun, not that you start blasting the bad guys.
Why do you assume they would know you have a gun?
You are naive to assume that always resolves it, there are also various reasons that someone cannot afford to do that.
How many times have you heard of muggers randomly beating people up once they’ve surrendered their valuables in your local area vs. just online paranoia? You say “you spend time in cities at night”, but I’ve lived in cities for decades, including walking late at night, seen drug dealing and been shouted at by mentally ill homeless people, and both never have felt the need to be armed and also never needed to be so. My preparation for a questionable area is “don’t bring a lot of cash”, not fantasies about how someone holding me up with a knife will somehow let me draw and use a gun while they stand there. Handguns just aren’t good self-defense weapons.
And if you can afford a gun, you can afford to lose the loose cash in your wallet. You’d need to be mugged regularly for a gun to be cheaper than the cash.
Agreed, I’d rather people have the opportunity to get what they can to minimize that risk.
Minimizing risk is giving them the money, or failing that actual self-defense courses for close combat, not imagining a ranged weapon will protect you when at arms length. There’s a reason self-defense courses don’t teach gun-fu, but instead de-escalation/situational awareness, followed by running away, and only then if that’s not immediately available, stunning attacks that give you the window to escape. Even highly skilled combatants want to get away from a fight ASAP. If you try to point a gun at someone with a knife to you, you’re likely to just end up in a wrestling match followed by likely losing it and getting shot.
That’s not true, you can shoot someone who is attacking you still. You can shoot someone who’s running at you with a weapon.
What scenario are you imagining where your attacker is running at you waving a knife from a distance? That’s just not how muggings work. Even in this scenario, anything under 6 meters means the attacker stabs you before you draw and fire.
How many times have you heard of muggers randomly beating people up once they’ve surrendered their valuables in your local area vs. just online paranoia?
I hear much more about random assualts than muggings. I’ve been nearly assaulted several times, and have been randomly sexually assaulted twice.
both never have felt the need to be armed and also never needed to be so.
I mean, honestly, how tall are you and how much do you weigh?
not fantasies about how someone holding me up with a knife will somehow let me draw and use a gun while they stand there.
Drawing doesn’t take long if you regularly practice. It’s not a western stand off.
failing that actual self-defense courses for close combat, not imagining a ranged weapon will protect you when at arms length.
Talk to anyone in law enforcement, a gun is always better than your hands, at any range. Self defense simply isn’t practical for most smaller people. I don’t want a fair fight, I want to live.
And if you can afford a gun, you can afford to lose the loose cash in your wallet.
Not about the money it’s about safety, also not about cash, it’s also losing very important documents(Visa/Residency, passport, etc) or losing a phone that you may be stranded without(a genuine danger in towns/small cities in certain countries).
running away,
Yes running away is good, but not always feasible, a lot of the time if you’re sure to lose a fight you aren’t an Olympic runner either.
If you try to point a gun at someone with a knife to you, you’re likely to just end up in a wrestling match followed by likely losing it and getting shot.
Don’t point a gun at anyone unless you plan to pull the trigger, immediately.
Even in this scenario, [anything under 6 meters means the attacker stabs you before you draw and
You misunderstand the “21 foot rule” that is comparing draw speed to someone sprinting at you reaching you. It has nothing to do with you losing a fight. A gun in a melee range fight is still at least as if not more than effective than a knife (there are many examples of people being stabbed but still saving themselves from the assailant). Squeeze the trigger as fast as you can versus thrusting in and out/slashing. A lot of comparisons people try in self defense training is 1 shot/cut = immobalized- that’s often not right. A knife you can take the brunt of with your arms, yes you will be severely injured, but a gun can quickly and easily penetrate to vital organs.
But of course yeah nothing will save you 100% of the time, but it’s a whole lot better than nothing.
