So let me start off by saying that I recognize that there was initially a genuine problem with people who didn’t want NSFW content being exposed to it.
Some of this was due to the fact that not all content was being correctly flagged as NSFW, and some of it was because a lot of users didn’t realize that individual users can choose to completely block an entire instance - which is not only a very easy and fast solution, but also does not require an all-or-nothing approach of defederating from NSFW instances.
A number of changes were made, but some of those lingering changes have meant that people who do want to see NSFW content are not because:
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Even having subscribed to several NSFW subs, they are effectively completely missing from my feed.
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Most NSFW thumbnails are blurred.
Both of these behaviors should not be occurring if a user has chosen in their settings to NOT hide NSFW content.
However, I will also say that the blurred state is something that deserves its own user setting (i.e. so that a user can choose to NOT hide NSFW, but still want them blurred or not) - preferably with the granularity to set it for various sub-types of NSFW (e.g. porn, gore, etc…).
I don’t think it went too far. Not exposing people accidentally to NSFW content takes priority over giving people a better experience consuming NSFW content. If you want to consume NSFW content head over to an instance that focuses on NSFW content. For example, lemmynsfw.com will fulfill all your NSFW needs.
That’s the advantage of the fediverse, you can have different instances focusing on different types of content. And having the main sites of kbin.social or lemmy.world focus on Non-NSFW content will make the entire fediverse easier to advertise to the public.
Should be user’s choice. Have it enabled by default, but with a possibility to turn it off.
Nope. Content is mirrored and hosted locally, so it’s the admin’s choice and responsibility.
Moreover, listening to choruses of “individual choice” are how you end up providing a server for people who feel no responsibility to their neighbours and communities. Structural issues require more than “Fuck you, I can do what I want.”
You can choose to use a different instsnce if you don’t like what the admin’s doing. Or you can start your own. That’s how you can do what you want.
Edit: I do love the downvotes from the “I can do what to want” crowd, knowing that they’re also the “my property, my rules” crowd. Except when they’re the ones using someone else’s shit, of course.
It’s not a coherent ideology.
I don’t get your reasoning. There’s no downside to letting users choose.
And I find the ‘love it or leave it’ approach distasteful.
I generally like what the admin is doing, in large part because he listens to user feedback, which I was providing.
Of course you’re entitled to your opinion.
edit: wait it does makes sense in a way to avoid hosting illegal content, if the instance doesn’t have the manpower to moderate effectively. nevermind. still think those issues should be discussed collectively.
I downvoted you because I think your argument is off the mark, not because I’m an “individual choice” or “I can do what I want” nutjob. I believe is strong moderation.
listening to choruses of “individual choice” are how you end up providing a server for people who feel no responsibility to their neighbours and communities
Allowing a setting to not blur photos will not destory communities. It seems like most people in this thread who would like a setting for this agree that blurring NSFW photos should be the default because that is what is best for the community. Asking for a setting to suit their own tastes is perfectly reasonable. Even within a community, people can have individual needs or tastes and they should be accommodated when reasonable.
You can choose to use a different instsnce if you don’t like what the admin’s doing
They’re not asking that all NSFW photos be shown for everybody. They’re asking that they be allowed to customize their own experience without affecting anybody else. Telling them to fuck off is pretty exclusive and non-community oriented behavior.
If your solution is to go to a different website instead of subscribing from here and having it served to me here, then what is the point of federation? (Just to clarify I totally understand why people wouldn’t want to be served nsfw when they didn’t opt into it and I don’t mind a bit of an overcorrection for the meantime. I know kbin blew up fast and this can be an expected growing pain that will eventually be worked out)
That’s the entire point of the fediverse, if you don’t like how content is served to you in one instance, you move to another instance. I am not heading over to lemmynsfw.com and complaining about how consuming SFW content is difficult over there either. You can still consume either content on either platform if you want to but having the two main instances, which currently are kbin.social and lemmy.world, focus on SFW content and neglecting NSFW content makes perfect sense.
Many people are going to use kbin in public and then not having NSFW content pop up on accident is super important. And while user customization is always a nice thing to have, I can totally understand that the devs of kbin currently have other priorities. And so taking the more drastic approach is perfectly fine.
(Assuming this bug is fixed and people are properly marking nsfw) Then they should opt out of showing nsfw so it doesn’t show up for them instead of preventing me from getting it served to me here where I have opted in. I would like the ability to organically find communities as they show up on All instead of specifically searching
You have no right to say that the way you, personnally, use kbin is to be forced on everyone else.
Different people have different preferences. Kbin is perfectly capable of addressing both major branches on this issue, so it doesn’t make sense to throw away one entire side just because you prefer the other.
Federation doesn’t mean everything. Each server is allowed to choose how they want to federate, who they want to federate with, and what features they want to support for their users. The entire point is to make it easier to migrate servers, not that servers are discouraged from running how they want.
If you want nsfw primarily, then join a server that values that. They will choose to federate with other nsfw servers. They will choose to include better features for nsfw content. Complaining about the lack of nsfw features here is like complaining about the lack of English federation on a French server.
You aren’t paying for anything here. You don’t get to dictate how a server is run nor what the developers focus on as far as features. Disagreement is fine but the power you hold is the ability to change servers.
To my knowledge, currently kbin.social federates with all instances. Therefore on this instance kbin.social, where I have opted in to nsfw, I would like nsfw to organically show up on my All. If it isn’t showing up because no one is making any then that is fine, if it is being made and isn’t showing up despite me having opted in that is not fine and I will patiently wait until it is fixed. And just for the record, I have and would encourage everyone else to buy Ernest a coffee https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin
You should become accustomed to having multiple accounts, ones for different instances, because this is the fediverse and essentially just semi-interlinked forums. If you want forum specific content that is generally considered spicy, go to that forum directly rather than complain that every other forum not handle your need for spicy content in an effective way for all parties.
This isnt some faceless megacorp. You are so used to one source for all your content due to reddit, but you should not expect one instance to provide you with all your desired content. Can you imagine how many man hours need to be put into effectively handling spicy content, across all instances? Or, you can just go to the spicy content forums.
Yes, there is a need for better handling multiple accounts seamlessly, its definitely under development in several apps. In the meantime it’s just something to deal with.
I think the exact opposite; all instances are interconnected, so I don’t need multiple accounts, I can subscribe from here and have it served here. Since I have opted in, I would like to have nsfw come up organically on my All and I don’t think it’s unreasonable as this instance, @kbin.social, allows nsfw. Maybe I’m the weird one, but I don’t want a normal account and some… turboporn account, I just want occasional tits, ass, and dick to show up in my normal feed
I really don’t understand why they don’t just join a NSFW instance and be done with it. That’s exactly the point of an instance: focusing on meta interests. On top of that those instances are already up and running. It’s not as if they had to do it from scratch.
Why would you inflict this on people who don’t want it? There is an adoption risk, there is a legal risk…It’s not worth it! Why would we take the risk of being defederated by big federations or big names just so a bunch of you can spread more NSFW?
There is a toggle dedicated for it, which means it’s a point of contention. Go to a safe space, to an instance where there is no contention. Use the fediverse.
You should become accustomed to having multiple accounts, ones for different instances, because this is the fediverse and essentially just semi-interlinked forums. If you want forum specific content that is generally considered spicy, go to that forum directly rather than complain that every other forum not handle your need for spicy content in an effective way for all parties.
This isnt some faceless megacorp. You are so used to one source for all your content due to reddit, but you should not expect one instance to provide you with all your desired content. Can you imagine how many man hours need to be put into effectively handling spicy content, across all instances? Or, you can just go to the spicy content forums.
Yes, there is a need for better handling multiple accounts seamlessly, its definitely under development in several apps. In the meantime it’s just something to deal with.
I was told that the advantage of the fediverse was that I could browse and interact with the entirety of the fediverse from one instance and one account. I dont need nor want to be “protected” from what is considered “harmfull” by a bunch of people making decisions in my name at any given moment.
Now, I understand that controll over federation is one of the advantages of the fediverse, just not the one I am looking for. Is there a kbin instance with an ethos focused on “user choice” when it comes to defederating?
Better to switch now than later when Im more attached to this instance.
Yeah, a bit annoying, but It just means that we may have chosen the wrong instance. Thats where our personal choice is. More “complicated” than it should be, yes, but its still there.
No need to judge others character based on a single opinion, tho, this also goes for another comment above.
The whole point of the fediverse is so the “self-rightgeous moral guardians” can coexist with the “I can do what I want crowd”.
There’s value in arguing these issues. There’s no value in generalizing and antagonizing the “other side”.