Comment by watup@lemmy.fmhy.ml on r/The_Donald now on Lemmy (edit: not anymore)

It was banned on Reddit because it is racist, hatefull and spread Conspiracies.

In my new community I expect the exclution of racist communities. It is easy now with defederation. Nazis can do whatever they want on their instances, but the instances I want to be part of should not amplify their shit and flush it into our timelines.

The instance-admin of !thedonald@sh.itjust.works did not reply to my message. Big instances seem not to defederate with them.

The new TD may not be a success, the point is not to give Nazis a platform like it is happening now. Fans of TD are racists.

Where are the instances that show face against racism?

edit: to contact the admins: @donut @TheDude @smorks

edit2: @TheDude deleted the community :)

God please just stop with your whining. Just block them and be done with it. How self-centered can you be to demand defederation just bc you can’t deal with a political worldview thats different than yours? Screw you dude.

Nazis are not allowed a fucking platform! Saying that one race is better than another one is not a fucking “political worldview.” Jfc.

Like it or not, everyone is allowed a platform in the fediverse. I think users should have the means to block entire instances. If it’s just this community that’s bothering you, then you have the power to block it. Trying to defederate it is childish.

being racist isnt an accrptable world political view

Racism is not open for debate, if someone is racist then they are excluded from the topics of politics and human rights. And being a racist does not give someone a personality either. The far right cannot handle those facts.

intolerance is the cancer that kills the tolerant society. is it really that hard to say racism bad?

I know right? But but but both sides should be able to… No the fuck they shouldn’t.

Imagine believing hate is a valid world view… Sad.

Always love when far right MAGA chuds call their fascist hate “different opinions” and other similar shit. We all see through your bullshit lol.

I guess racism is a worldview? As long as individuals can just never visit that dark corner of the Internet, it doesn’t need to be technically defederated, thereby not blocking other non-fascist and racist communities. (To block those communities, just visit: https://kbin.social/magazines?q=thedonald and hit the ∅ )

If you don’t want to see it, you have the tools to block the community. Users should also have the ability to block entire instances. Instead of trying to push your agenda onto everyone else, maybe join an instance like beehaw that is already doing that. You’ll be much more welcomed there and won’t be ruining things for people who prefer to moderate themselves.

I opened that community, I didn’t see any racist posts

Support for Trump is inherently racist, homophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic.

Good lord. These are the people wanting to control what others see. It’s insane the hoops they have to jump through to seem legitimate.

Just say, “I don’t like Trump and I don’t want anyone else to see support for him.” You’ll come across as more genuine.

Not being from USA, I could not really care any less about Trump.

But your take is just insane in my opinion.

To me it seems like that the hate towards Trump is purely political, and I did not really see a strong evidence of him being that wildly racist

No it isn’t. Get your head out of the sand.

Im just going to put this out there, if you enable any criminal to commit more crimes, then you are culpable for the crimes he commits. The same goes for supporting any political candidate who commits crimes, you are supporting those crimes as well, including all past and present and future crimes.

I have no problem with criminal who have paid their debt to society and are generally repentant of what they have done… so once donny has done his time and publicly repents for the crimes he committed, then I’ll be fine with him too and his supporters.

Supporting Biden and Clintons also makes you complicit in crimes they committed all over the world? I have nothing against that statement, but you should really keep the same standard for everyone and not be selective.

“I’m not a bigot I just don’t consider being a bigot to be a deal breaker” is such a weird defense for voting Trump.

Hero worship of a con man is not a valid ideology or worldview.

Its a cult, and cults always end the same way no matter how big they get.

Koolaide

“political worldview”

Wasn’t aware that violence and bigotry was a political world view

Go join your friends in your little safe spot at the_donald

Found the Trump supporter.

I think we learned in January 6 that allowing these communities to exist online is more than just letting people express a different political worldview.

Just wanted to throw some support for you out there, I’m not at all a trump fan but social media driven echo chambers are half the reason the worst political ideals are spreading. Unfortunately there’s not an easy answer to this, but I don’t think defederation is it.

Banning white supremacy is not the same thing as making an echo chamber.

I totally agree, I just think as an overall community we could report/brigade the racism, rather than allow it to grow unchecked. Maybe I’m wrong.

Deplatforming works. Don’t give any oxygen at all to fascists.

Using a differences-in-differences approach, we show that on average the network disruptions reduced the consumption and production of hateful content, along with engagement within the network among periphery members. Members of the audience closest to the core members exhibit signs of backlash in the short term, but reduce their engagement within the network and with hateful content over time. The results suggest that strategies of targeted removals, such as leadership removal and network degradation efforts, can reduce the ability of hate organizations to successfully operate online.

Source

Defederating wouldn’t disrupt them, your source is about the removal of leadership/core memebers in online hate organisations. Something I imagine would happen rather quickly on this platform when those people get banned for racism.

That being said I took a look at the community and there’s like 3 accounts posting pro-trump posts. Not exactly a community…they’re probably already isolating themselves on a different website.

Defederating helps because it limits their reach to a wider community. They’re currently a small group because Lemmy and Kbin are new. If they’re left unchecked, they will grow.

You are never going to eliminate groups like this, but deplatforming them prevents their ability to radicalize more people.

I’m Jewish. They think I have secret space lasers that start forest fires. No, I don’t have to “give them a space so I don’t have an echo chamber”, a lot of them want me dead. This isn’t about politics.

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