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Understandable, but you only need to do it if there is no pulse. If you are doing chest compressions to save their life, I am sure the majority would be quite happy with not dying. You don’t need to take off their top, and you are pressing on their sternum rather than their breasts. You can’t really mistake CPR for anything else if you are doing it correctly.

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You don’t need to take off their top

Well, you do if using AED. Tom Scott has video on those too: https://youtu.be/ecVHYg4_vZw

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I know, but I was just assuming chest compressions, no other tools. If you’re strapping electrodes to an unconscious person, and the machine is talking you through the CPR steps, it’s even less likely to be assumed to be anything than what it is.

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You would think that, but the reality is different.

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You can’t, that doesn’t mean that some white knight in the crowd doesn’t.

While I agree the risk is low, it’s not zero.

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Youre afraid to save a persons life because there is a near zero chance that a very unlikely hypothetical situation may occur? Youre okay with letting someone die because you might get verbally chided, or worse, have someone misunderstand and be slightly rough with you? Wow.

I honestly can’t imagine being this scared of the world.

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You can’t say “near zero” you don’t have the numbers.

It depends entirely on circumstance.

And you know that.

But it’s wonderful that you want to judge me as a keyboard warrior. I applaud how tough you are. Have a nice day.

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Yes, I am.

I’m not risking jail over this crap. Lost a job over it once, so I have personal, first-hand experience with the bullshit.

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Verbally chided? Getting sued for SA and getting your life ruined doesn’t really seem like “verbally chided”. Yeah, I’d probably let people die because my life is more important.

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CPR does not save lives. It preserves a dead body until an AED or ambulance can bring it back to life. You need to remove her shirt and often bra (if there is a wire it must go, otherwise only if in the way) to use an AED so if some item of clothing is in the way don’t worry about removing it.

Note that the above is generic CPR training that doesn’t respect local laws which can say something different.

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AED’s will not help someone whose heart is stopped (i.e. no pulse). They are used to shock the heart into restoring its normal rhythm. It will not start a heart that has stopped beating.

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Yeahhhh… and it makes me glad that the ‘A’ part in AED exists, because there are apparently a not insignificant number of people who have gotten their CPR training from TV.

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Please do not say CPR does not save lives, it 100% does. And in the United States our Good Samaritan laws protect anyone from liability if they are acting in good faith trying to help someone.

I’m a paramedic in the United States, hold a certification as a flight medic, nothing I can bring, in a helicopter or an ambulance will do anything for anyone if high quality CPR isn’t performed.

To break things down, yes in adults early defibrillation does make a huge difference but in kids it is literally high quality CPR that saves them. If you’d like I’d be happy to break down the details of resuscitation, but without CPR until I can get there and attempt resuscitation, then no matter how much I throw at someone to try to get their heart beating again, they’ll still be brain dead.

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My CPR instructors put it the way I wrote it to encourage us to spend more effort on getting the AED and paramedics there fast. If you do CPR before the AED/paramedics is on the way you are wasting time, but getting those has been started CPR is important. However this is clearly semantics, I think we are all in agreement that CPR is important.

Not all states have “good Samaritan” laws. Most do, but if you live in the exception you might suffer harassment after doing CPR, including go to court - odds are the court will throw the case out, but it will still be annoying to do the right thing in those states. Though even lacking such laws, the odds that anything will happen are low.

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CPR absolutely does save lives. The success rate outside hospitals is around 10%. That’s thousands of lives saved every year.

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I’m pretty sure most places in the states have laws protecting people but there have been people who were sued for giving cpr to someone who wasn’t very grateful.

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Good Samaritan laws.

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