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You know why they have to wait 3 hours to vote? Because Republicans gain power and make it more difficult to vote for those in areas they think may not support them.

Yes, it is Republicans I’m not going to dispute that, but when Democrats are in power in these areas they do not wield power in a way that propagates it. And our state wide democratic party is extremely dysfunctional and unpopular. There are federal regulations that could be implemented by Democrats to reduce voting shenanigans and they did not pass it when they had the House, Senate, and Presidency. So again, if when Democrats get the vote they’re unwilling to make changes that will make it easier for them to get elected why should I brow beat some person making $10 an hour to forgo $30 they need when Democrats won’t do the best minimum to win? I would rather spend my time at our food pantry/garden.

I think having people in power that don’t have a particular boner for cruelty will make any attempts at moving beyond capitalism easier.

No disagreement here I’m not an accelerationist, but I will reiterate that that is not an option in my area, the state run democratic party is extremely corrupt and useless. There’s a lot of mutual aid groups in my area that get tacit support of conservatives because they’re “apolitical” and are best able to function in this way. If Democrats get their shit together maybe it would be worth putting in effort for them, but as of now they’re functionally Republicans who fund education in this state.

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Ok, I get that the Democrats are disfunctional, ineffective, and unpopular in your area. What if people like yourself ran for office so that it could become more effective (even if just locally) and then maybe become more popular? This will never happen if all the good people forfeit the game.

but as of now they’re functionally Republicans who fund education in this state.

That alone would be enough to get me off my couch to vote D. Perfection is the enemy of progress.

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Hope – hope that others will do the same and work together to make a better future. The pantry will be there next weekend.

This is some Obama era shit. Hope isn’t feeding people.

What if people like yourself ran for office so that it could become more effective (even if just locally) and then maybe become more popular?

I am finishing my PhD and getting the fuck out of this state. Once I have the means I will absolutely run for school board to keep a lib or a hog out of the spot and promote a Marxist indoctrination of our nation’s youth.

That alone would be enough to get me off my couch to vote D.

Again, I’m not against voting for the lesser of two evils, but I am not going to spend my time advocating for an anti-choice, anti-trans, anti-gay hog. We have “progressives” who gain traction on a state wide basis and the Democratic party systematically kneecaps them every time because it is an old boys club.

Perfection is the enemy of progress.

I am not asking for perfection I am asking for the Democratic party to be a functional party, which it isn’t despite having the governorship in my state.

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And when the D’s lose… because the D’s lost enough times that the R’s now run the state… what do you do then?

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Perfection is the enemy of progress.

This phrase is the enemy of progress.

Its always used to argue for why we need to allow some lib bullshit, and shut up.

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Is that really how I’m using it? Am I asking anyone to shut up? No, you gave me a simple straw man argument and knocked it down.

No, I’m asking my comrades not be idiots that think we’re really close enough to full on communist revolution that it’s worth it to let fascists hurt people until we get there. Be realistic, if you really want to help people, pissing people off and letting fascists take power out of spite is not the way.

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why should I brow beat some person making $10 an hour to forgo $30 they need when Democrats won’t do the best minimum to win?

Hope – hope that others will do the same and work together to make a better future. The pantry will be there next weekend.

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It’s false hope, and that false hope brings complacency. why organize when voting is sufficient?

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