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If government invested in a renewables program by installing charging stations almost equal to the amount of fuel servos we have, and heavily incentivise electric vehicles we would see a major transition without car manufacturers shoving corruption in our faces and money towards lobby groups.

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Unlikely. Car manufacturers don’t particularly care how you’re going to charge it. That’s a you problem not a them problem.

They’re resisting because Oz has been a place they can dump polluting cars that are cheap to make. The big markets like EU and California have mandated EVs, if they can delay the cutoff here it buys them time to do the ramp ups they should have been doing for a decade.

Toyota in particular is the worst culprit, they spent a lot of money in the US trying to prevent ICE being banned, because they bet on hydrogen and lost, now they’re doing exactly the same delay tactics here.

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Thanks for the input. I hope I was at least making sense previously even though it was more of a utopian society that we’d probably get to see something like that.

I’m not having kids, but I’d like for the youth of today to grow up in a more eco friendly lifestyle without the need for gas in the future.

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You’re not wrong that more chargepoints help, it reduces EV resistance and range concerns, and hence helps consumers be willing to buy EVs.

It won’t stop legacy ICE lobbying to delay mandatory cutoff on ICE sales.

They (collectively) have $trillions invested in ICE factories and engine designs etc that become valueless when ICE are banned. As VW found out leveraging existing factories is ineffective, you need to build for EV manufacture, which means billions in written off assets and years of delay for legacy auto.

If they can convince any market to delay the ban that’s literally dollars in the bank and bonuses in pocket.

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Car manufacturers don’t particularly care how you’re going to charge it

Bullshit. Of course manufacturers are concerned about charging networks. If you can’t charge their car you won’t buy their car.

they bet on hydrogen and lost

How so? Hydrogen hasn’t been banned anywhere. There’s still a lot of implementation problems but it’s a pretty neat tech. There’s 3x huge solar projects going ahead in West Aus to crack water and produce hydrogen.

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There’s also a few green hydrogen hubs planned for Qld as well.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/albanese-splashes-70m-on-qld-green-hydrogen-20230114-p5ccjn

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BEVs are a greenwashing scam. They are frankly just a ploy by corporations to be dependent on their product just like we are to oil. In fact, it’s even worse since it is part of the Chinese government’s agenda to of dominating the car industry. Much of what we hear may legitimately be propaganda from the Chinese government.

Toyota is fundamental correct in their assessment. The BEV is destined for failure since it has no purpose but the serve some specific group or interest. As a result, they’ve invested in alternative ideas such as hydrogen cars. Instead of being the curve, they are likely far ahead of it. It is everyone else that wasting all of their resources on a dead-end.

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What nonsense.

Battery power is a technology that is continuing to grow with billions being poured into it from every industry imaginable.

The only people who want garbage like hydrogen are those who want to maintain the status quo of fuel being supplied by a few big producers at a pump.

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They are funding charging stations, and the networks are pretty decent now for long trips.

There’s still holes that need filled in, especially when you get away from population centres and main roads, but you can drive from Port Douglas in far north Queensland to Adelaide in any new EV.

Adelaide to Perth is currently a no. There’s a 2000km stretch with one fast charger. Not impossible, but it means several days of slow charging along the route.

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