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Everything you mentioned hints towards AOC. Maybe not funding but she could come up with by asking for voter support.

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AOC would not be a serious contender at all. She’s way too extreme. Nobody can win without centrist support at this point, and AOC is not capable of winning that.

Not to mention the hurdle of the first woman president on top of that. Not saying I agree with that being a hurdle of course, but in reality it is.

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A career criminal (with chronically bad spray tan) and host of the apprentice managed to do it, and he thinks you need a license to buy bread. I think she could manage and for her to be the first woman president would actually be a meaningful harbinger of change.

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I mean, at that time he wasn’t a criminal (at least publicly, we all know in hindsight he definitely was), but I honestly think the only reason Trump won was because he was running against such a hated person. Democrats made a massive misstep in rallying behind Hillary in that election, just like republicans are making a mistake rallying behind Trump in 2024.

But, that doesn’t mean that the moderate voter base isn’t important. That was the exception to the rule in my opinion.

Honestly, I don’t really like AOC. I agree with her a lot of the time, but I find her extremely disingenuous. How can you truly fight for the working class when you lived a life of extreme privilege? (EDIT: I was wrong about this. I either feel for misinformation, or misattributed something I heard about a different politician to her. Either way I was wrong.) She can get away with saying extreme things, because there’s zero risk for her. She has no actual power to act on what she says, and she knows her voter base will eat it up. That would change if she were to make a serious bid for the presidency, and I think like every politician she would compromise her “values” for more power in an instant.

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She’s extreme only because they have successfully pushed the overton window so far right. Anything that actually helps people has been branded as too extreme at this point.

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AOC would not be a serious contender at all. She’s way too extreme.

Extremism isn’t the problem. Having her name already turned into the GOP’s Pavlovian Minute of Hate is the problem.

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They’re going to call everyone devils and light crosses on fire regardless of who is the nominee. They think fucking Biden is a socialist and that guys meal ticket his whole fucking life was being peak middle of the road NeoLib. Maybe them turning the insanity to ten is what’s needed regardless. In the same way the left flank gets stuck voting for Joe, the middle right can vote against a ranting lunatic saying to burn books and take away birth right citizenship. The die has been cast regardless, so having a strong, whip smart dynamic leader like AOC is genuinely the thing we need to beat these christofascists back into their holes. We can no longer try to placate these lunatics and run out the clock every election. They’ll stumble into success eventually if we keep ceding ground to the right.

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She’s not extreme. She’s a liberal woman who came from a blue collar background. That’s literally all it takes to not be a real contender right now.

Politically, she’s pretty moderate, like every other dem in congress.

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BUT SHES A WOMAN

AND SHE HAS OPINIONS!

SO EXTREME!

/s

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I think what people are saying is that Democrats need a candidate that appeals to Republicans. She’s ‘extreme’ from the perspective of a Republican.

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I have to say I agree. I like most of her proposals and I’d probably vote for her but she’d bring out the crazies for Drump. We really need a centrist like Biden until the crazies crawl back into their holes

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It’d also bring out the young voters who may not otherwise vote because nothing is being done. A “centrist” will always side with the corporations, yet we have massive issues they are just making worse. They don’t inspire young voters.

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I also don’t think she’d through away the good will she has from other progressives that support Biden running again

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There are no centrists in the US because we have two right-wing parties.

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