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First and foremost, people have the right to slowly kill themselves with cigarettes as long as it isn’t harming innocent bystanders.

Arguably more importantly, the proposed ban is worryingly dystopian.

Finally, agreeing with anything Sunak does is unforgivable. And in this case would reflect neo-liberal sympathies.

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as long as it isn’t harming innocent bystanders.

Considering that’s exactly what second hand smoke does, I really don’t see what point you’re trying to make.

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What they are trying to say is to ban it in public areas, but not at home.

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But consumption isn’t being banned…

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Except it doesn’t, less than 9% of the population in the USA uses tobacco in any form, including in that group is past smokers and vapers so it’s probably around 7% or less. Continually attacking a vice that’s basically done is just virtue signaling bullshit. Alcoholism has skyrocketed and kills way more people a year, and obesity is now our number one killer by miles. No one is dying from second hand smoke…you sitting in traffic is doing way more damage to your body than getting a random breeze of smoke from someone outside.

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No.

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First and foremost, people have the right to slowly kill themselves with cigarettes as long as it isn’t harming innocent bystanders.

That’s the thing with smoking though, second hand smoke is a big problem, especially for vulnerable people

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You may not know it because you’re a smoker (smokers’ noses are completely and irreparably fucked), but normal people can tell a cigarette was lit in a 10 meter radius, even on a windy day.

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I’m surprised they can still walk around outside, when there are literally cars everywhere. Those are killing way more people on ‘second hand’ exposure than tobacco.

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Except smokers always insist on slowly murdering everyone around them and littering everything in their path. If you want to smoke in a hermetically sealed room and not get close to me for at least 6 hours after, fine by me.

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I mean, I understand that it smells really bad to non smokers. On the other hand, statements like this seem so ridiculously over the top that it makes me question you as a person.

We live in car country - assuming you are German as well -, with a wide variety of unhealthy crap that you have to inhale on a daily basis. Smog, exhaust fumes, half the food we can buy is unhealthy.

Honestly I don’t understand how people can be so worked up about smokers in that context. Is it because those are people you can bitch at and boss around, instead of nebulous corps and governments who ignore your calls for climate action and environment protection?

Otherwise it makes no sense. Smokers are already segregated away from non smokers nowadays, what about their freedom to live (or die) as they want? Your freedom not to smell unpleasant things doesn’t trump that. Me farting in your vicinity doesn’t constitute harm to your individual rights.

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Your freedom ends where mine begins. You are free to kill yourself, but not to blow cancerous substances on top of me - and yes, that should include cars.

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They’re literally cancer sticks…

I guess we should allow people to sell antifreeze as both an industrial chemical and a soft drink. Arguably, people have the right to quickly and painfully kill themselves as well.

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Humans have been smoking tobacco for thousands of years. Banning it will only allow the black market to swell to an unimaginable size

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These are cigarettes. Engineered to be as addictive as possible. We aren’t talking about hand rolled stogies here

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You can imagine it, it would be less than the amount that is currently being smoked.

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By that logic we should continue slavery. Aren’t you worried someone’s going to purchase one of your children on the black market!?

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