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It’s worse than that. Authors actually pay (up to several thousand dollars) to publish, the editors who find referees are doing this as a side job, so probably they’re not exactly overpaid either. Finally you have the anonymous referee, who not only doesn’t get paid, but they get literally zero recognition. Also, papers aren’t printed in journals any more, they are online only, so there’s no printing fee either, there’s only just server hosting costs, paying some people for language editing and final typesetting (in many fields authors must submit LaTeX manuscripts, basically ready for publishing). And profit of course.

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Yep, it’s a fucking embarrassment. Clearly science and academia stopped attracting our brightest and best a while ago or their egos are so fragile they’re as easy to manipulate as children. Either way, institutionally, very poor leaders and caretakers of institutions, which truly undermines the faith we can have in the quality of research they are doing.

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I can understand why it seems the way. But the people doing academic research by and large could make a lot more money working less hard at some company, but choose instead to try to advance human knowledge.

The incentives are just terrible. When I was a PhD student, I railed against this system, but when it came time to publish, I was overruled by my PI. And I know now that he was right - success is built off publication, and the best journals have this shitty model.

I used to think that when I became boss, I wouldn’t participate in the bullshit, but if any of my trainees want a career in academia, that stance would be screwing them over. The rules need to come from the top, but the people at the top, almost by definition, are the ones that have prospered with the current system.

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I used to think that when I became boss, I wouldn’t participate in the bullshit,

You can’t change the system single-handedly overnight, but you can be active in your research community, e.g. you can suggest that conference proceedings be available for free online.

Also, if your trainees publish in journals, just make sure to put your pre-prints on arxiv or somewhere similar for free.

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The rules need to come from the top, but the people at the top, almost by definition, are the ones that have prospered with the current system.

And if these smart academically inclined people can’t reason about the merits of the system beyond whether it has worked for them, then they are as I accused them … unintelligent or childish.

You speak of higher salaries outside of academia, but from what I’ve seen (where you shouldn’t presume I haven’t worked in academia) success in academia is its own reward with prestige that should not be underestimated.

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Okay but who gets the 40 euros then? All goes for server maintenance costs?

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It goes to the publisher’s profits.

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Publishing houses who control the entire industry and whom you have to go through because they have the professional networks and publishing somewhere without “prestige” is literally worse than not publishing at all.

It’s pretty fucked.

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