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The “bundle of sticks” analogy has historically been used a lot by fascists. If someone used it to try to convince me, you can be sure it would backfire!

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"Well, you see, a single stick can easiky be broken in two, but a bundle of sticks will stand to almost anything!

Now, imagine if you will, that one of those sticks was actually an axe handle…"

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“… used to prosecute minorities.”

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Funnily the term “fascism” originated from a bundle of sticks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces

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So fascists are faggots https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/faggot

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In fact it’s literally the origin of the word fascism: from the Latin fascis, meaning “bundle”.

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Every time someone uses the word fascist I can’t help but think of this scene.

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Yeah, the faggot analogy is great but too wrapped up in fascism

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I’m not sure it is great, to me it seems to handily encapsulate the bad parts of authoritarian ideologies. It’s a demand to follow the will of the group, and to prioritize your group identity in order to accumulate power for that group. Whether that group is race, nationality, or economic class, to think of yourself primarily as an instrumental component of it is an abdication of responsibility to have and apply your own unique perspective and thoughts, and leads naturally to abuses by whoever happens to be doing the thinking for all these people who have chosen loyalty over agency.

Which isn’t to say that cooperation isn’t important and necessary to accomplishing any goal, but if this sort of group unity is the core idea it seems extremely dangerous and malignant.

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I’m not sure it is great, to me it seems to handily encapsulate the bad parts of authoritarian ideologies.

What’s authoritarian about strength in numbers?

It’s a demand to follow the will of the group, and to prioritize your group identity in order to accumulate power for that group.

Um… is it?

Whether that group is race, nationality, or economic class, to think of yourself primarily as an instrumental component of it is an abdication of responsibility to have and apply your own unique perspective and thoughts, and leads naturally to abuses by whoever happens to be doing the thinking for all these people who have chosen loyalty over agency.

Yeah, you just made all that up.

Which isn’t to say that cooperation isn’t important and necessary to accomplishing any goal, but if this sort of group unity is the core idea it seems extremely dangerous and malignant.

You are adding “group unity” yourself. “Ape together strong” just means groups are stronger than individuals.

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Horseshoe theory and such

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No.

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Yes.

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A bundle of sticks is conveniently burned after the person wielding them is done getting them where they want them.

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