From The Guardian

So Affirmative Action is basically dead for college admissions, further dismantling Civil Rights era legislation.

Way to go, SCOTUS. /s

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Oh good, they finally legally mandated color blindness. Historic and pervasive systemic racism is solved once and for all thanks to the Supreme Court issuing an edict that it shouldn’t exist. Huzzah!

They should legally mandate the nonexistence of poverty next. They can solve all the problems America has in a few weeks this way.

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Affirmative action is racist. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
No context is needed.

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Affirmation action mandates a historically and currently racist society to demonstrate commitment to end subversive racist policies.

Declaring everyone equal under the law doesn’t begin to put forth the required effort to actually make the country a more equitable place.

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Affirmation action mandates a historically and currently racist society to demonstrate commitment to end subversive racist policies.

Maybe, but with some amount of collateral damage that will never be truly avoidable, because it’s still a system explicitly based on race. Society can never fully heal under a system like that. It can make some progress, but that progress has arguably already been largely achieved and somewhat plateaued; continuing an upward trajectory now requires different tactics.

Declaring everyone equal under the law doesn’t begin to put forth the required effort to actually make the country a more equitable place.

That was true at one point, but a lot has changed since that time.

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If I suppressed your people’s ability to create generational wealth for hundreds of years and suddenly stopped, would that be enough? Is everything better now? Or should you be compensated in some way?

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Compensated at the expense of whom though?

The taxpayers? Sure, there’s an argument for reparations and pumping money into forcing systemic change.

College students competing for a limited number of slots to schools? I’m less convinced of this, it’s a zero-sum game where if you’re admitting one person you’re denying others from that slot.

IMO there’s probably better ways you could incentivize colleges to aim for a diverse student body that would be more equitable. The goal should equality of opportunity, not equality of outcomes.

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How would you address the systematic under-representation of certain ethnicities in higher education?

Certainly affirmative action is a blunt instrument. What are your preferred solutions?

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•AA benefitted white women more than all other groups COMBINED—plaintiffs never complained about that
•43% of white Harvard students are legacy or athlete students, of which 75% would not be admitted otherwise—plaintiffs never complained about that
•Asians are 6% of the population & 26% of Harvard admissions—plaintiffs never complained about that

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Of course not. The plaintiffs’ goal was to hurt Black and Hispanic students. That’s all.

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Correct.

But you can’t fix inequality by treating everyone equally.

The people who are already at an advantage will just continue to grow that advantage, while the people at a disadvantage will fall farther and farther behind.

That’s why, despite being found repeatedly to be a form of racial discrimination, affirmative action was previously found to meet the standard of Strict Scrutiny on dozens of occasions. The Supreme Court backtracked on decades of rulings today.

You only don’t like context because it, like so many things, is inconvenient to your ideology. Cant’ have things like facts and nuance, no sir.

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I, too, used to think like this. When I was 19, in college as a privileged cishet white male.

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The same reasoning worked wonders when Justice Roberts told us that racism was over and gutted the Voting Rights Act. Nothing bad came of that except rampant gerrymandering, voter suppression, and minority rule!

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