Comment by Ghostface1357@alien.top on [ESPNFC] Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, and Neymar Jr’s International Stats.

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1 year ago

Just to note, some of ESPN’s statistics aren’t Opta based, so I don’t know exactly where they got their data from (probably Transfermarkt).

Opta stats:

Ronaldo has 34 assists, not 45.

Messi had 53 assists, not 56.

Neymar has 58 assists, not 59.

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FathomSwank@alien.topB

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1 year ago

I’ve heard Lewandowski, Modric, Benzema, Suarez all have a better claim to 3rd greatest player of this generation over Neymar. Laughable. If you look at stats he passes with flying colors and if you do the eye test he passes with flying colors. He didn’t fulfill his potential I agree, but people talk as if he’s a complete failure.

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ModeTop7@alien.topB

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1 year ago

Ridiculous statement. Can easily be argued that Suarez has been better.

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madridista521@alien.topB

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1 year ago

All 4 of those players, and you can add Bale to the mix, were just much better for much longer.

Neymar is probably the most talented of them all, but he was just never available and failed his teams time after time.

Best ability is availability.

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Mt264@alien.topB

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1 year ago

Defenders and midfielders always get the rough end of the stick, as they don’t have the same stats to back them up.

Just look at Xavi. He was one of the greatest ever but gets criminally overlooked in these discussions as his role wasn’t really to get goals and assists.

Similar with Modric.

I like your argument more when you compare other forwards - in that case, Neymar has a good shout at being the 3rd best forward of his generation

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Strananach@alien.topB

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1 year ago

I’ve heard Lewandowski, Modric, Benzema, Suarez all have a better claim to 3rd greatest player of this generation over Neymar. Laughable

It’s not. Neymar has been injured half the time since he left Barca, if you only count their prime years than sure.

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Salanha04@alien.topB

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1 year ago

The Barça’s Neymar yes, PSG’s Neymar not even close. He seems to deal better when he has better company to put him into confortable positions close to the box from the left (who would’ve guessed), but in Brazil and PSG they insisted to make him a 10 and he absolutely sucks in that position

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X-Maquina@alien.topB

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1 year ago

Astonishing this. Literally every part of this comment is wrong.

Why do people have such strong opinions about players they clearly didn’t watch?

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Salanha04@alien.topB

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1 year ago

Idk what part of my opinion was “strong”, i’ve watched Neymar since his debut in Brazil as he played for my team here and i’m saying that he is a winger that finish the play, not a midfielder as he has been playing in NT and sometimes in PSG. Or you’re read my coment wrong or is too much sensible

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X-Maquina@alien.topB

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1 year ago

The entire comment. Starting with saying he was a better player at Barça than he was at PSG (he was not, not even close) and then describing him as a player who needed players to supply him the ball in the final 3rd and then finishing off with saying he couldn’t play as a 10. Every single part of that comment was nonsense.

The best version of Neymar, the one we’ve seen at his peak playing for Brazil and PSG and who we got flashes of at Barça, has always been the one who had the freedom to be the team’s main playmaker. Even in Barça times we could see it. The Neymar we got at Barça was great, but he was limited by having to play a secondary role to Messi. Fewer opportunities to playmake and more responsibility of having to provide width and depth and make runs in behind. The Neymar we saw during every international break was the real Neymar. A devastating playmaker and dribbler and easily the 2nd best creative fulcrum (next to Messi) there’s been in the past 15 years.

Not a single person who actually watches Neymar thinks of him as someone who thrives best being on the end of chances. What you’re describing is a player like Mbappé or Cristiano.

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Salanha04@alien.topB

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1 year ago

Neymar won UCL and Libertadores, scoring in both finals and being ucl top scorer as a winger. He was fast, great dribbling and finishing with a shot or assist. Neymar as a 10 has no stats to back him, poor performance in UCL KOs except for 1 year and a mid performance with Brazil NT, he carries the ball to much and loses possession all the time as well as wasting many attacking chances by simpy not passing the ball, also can consistenly ping passes like Messi in this role. As a winger He was much more like a Ribery than a Mbappe or Cristiano, and was great at it, if we had a proper 10 in the build up with him in his natural position he would be 3x the player he has been

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hotel_air_freshener@alien.topB

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1 year ago

People push this narrative of him “not fulfilling his potential” I just dont follow. He’s all time top scorer for Brazil and ahead of Roando and Messi for assists! How, by any metric, is that unfulfilled potential? He’s been the heart of several lackluster Brazilian sides but really can’t do much more. The diving just pisses people off, which I get.
History will treat him better.

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Banterz0ne@alien.topB

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1 year ago

This comment makes no sense. Looks at the trophy cabinets

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NUPreMedMajor@alien.topB

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1 year ago

It’s simply because he wins no big trophies while leading a team

You cannot get away from that fact

Same issue with Kane

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nofakefans18@alien.topB

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1 year ago

Laughable that Lewa has been a world class #9 since 2012? Who genuinely has the case to have two Ballon d’Ors and has scored at an insane rate since going to Bayern? And also led his team to a treble which is more than anything Neymar has done without Messi?

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nghigaxx@alien.topB

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1 year ago

tbh imo even Neuer has a better claim of being the 3rd greatest of this generation over lewa, modric, benz and suarez

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Bolte_Racku@alien.topB

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1 year ago

This is exactly true. Comparing a great attacker to the best goalkeeper to ever play the game just shows they don’t rate goalkeepers at all as if they’re not playing the same game.

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Kind-Departure1058@alien.topB

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1 year ago

Suarez has a very strong claim to be the third best player in this generation.

Not everybody can win a European Golden Boot in the Premier League and La Liga in the era where Ronaldo and Messi scooped up every individual award.

He is a Copa America winner with Uruguay too…

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