Exploding-heads.com is another instance on Lemmy where alt-right MAGA types tend to reside. Some people on this server want us to defederate from them immediately, some people want to save defederation as a last resort. They have 104 active users (more stats below).
It seems that exploding-heads has also experienced a recent botswarm invasion. This is obviously another point in favor of defederating them, assuming you are worried about botswarms, which is currently being discussed here.
My advice to you all is please try to discuss this in a civil manner, we need not allow them to create divisive conflict inside our communities. No matter how the vote turns out, you’re not going to be able to defederate from your fellow sh.itheads so be nice.
I’ve linked many of the previous discussions below so people who are out of the loop can get a general sense of the situation.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888 https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126 https://sh.itjust.works/post/410325
Lemmy.world just recently defederated them.
https://lemmy.world/post/747912
https://lemmy.world/post/577526
Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.
Ensuring diversity of servers is beneficial to the platform as a whole, but it is also not our responsibility to bear that burden.
TLDR, just wrap up any last points in this thread before we open the vote tomorrow. Please be civil.
EDIT: To clarify, this isn’t the official vote, this is the final discussion. The vote thread will be posted tomorrow and you will only be allowed to make a single comment saying Aye or Nay.
EDIT2: Vote thread is up, this thread is now locked. Very lively discussion thread sh.itheads. Please try to be more respectful next time.
Another point is that some reasonable statements are now labeled as “transphobia” or “white supremancy”. Some examples are:
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Grown men should not be twerking naked in front of children.
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Sexually explicit content should not be taught to 2nd graders.
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If trans women compete in women’s sports, it sometimes is an unfairness issue when the trans women win 1st place easily. In contact sports, it is a safety issue as women are sometimes injured by trans women.
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Some women don’t feel comfortable or safe seeing a penis in the women’s shower room.
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Letting repeat offender violent criminals go free in the name of criminal justice reform is an idiot policy.
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Declaring that shoplifting is legal will only lead to stores closing and food deserts.
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Affirmative action actually hurts the people it claims to help.
If you’re accusing someone of transphobia or racism, remember that many reasonable things are now labeled as right-wing extremist ideas.
You’re SO right. Grown men shouldn’t be twerking naked in front of children. Sexually explicit content shouldn’t be taught to second graders. Luckily, this shit isn’t allowed by anyone who isn’t, you know, a pedophile. I’m getting so fucking sick of these bad faith, slippery slope arguments.
If you say it at a school board meeting, trans activists will show up to assault you.
“I’m getting so fucking sick of these” moral licensing, gaslighting arguments but I digress.
Even if you cannot see what fez is talking about you have to see this argument as valid in one way or another.
Do you think any comment in support of trump is an ill fathed dog whistle for white supremacy that needs to be banned?
What about any comment made by a Republican?
Should we continue to defederated places like lemmygrad for there vocal hard left beliefs?
Are center left people that make more money than you just crypto fascist who tow progressive line so they commit corpo/capitalist attrosictes without being looked at, and should be banned as well?
I’m sure you are a perfict arbiter of right and wrong and have no bad faith arguments in your beliefs on who to ban.
Grown men should not be twerking naked in front of children.
This only happens in the dreams of pedophiles. Also, nice attempt to link Trans people and pedophilia.
Sexually explicit content should not be taught to 2nd graders.
Parents get to choose if their children are taught Sex Ed classes in school. At least the parents that pay attention to what their children are learning and not spending all their time online waxing poetic about family values. Also, in Grade 2 they are learning about their bodies, not sex. This time your linking Trans people with sexually explicit content.
If trans women compete in women’s sports, it sometimes is an unfairness issue when the trans women win 1st place easily. In contact sports, it is a safety issue as women are sometimes injured by trans women.
Each sport association is having these discussions. We should let the people actually affected by it make the decisions. Noticed you didn’t mention Trans men though. This time you tried linking Trans women with hurting biological women.
Some women don’t feel comfortable or safe seeing a penis in the women’s shower room.
You’re trying to suggest that the Trans woman is forcing the biological woman to look at her. Should the Trans woman be forced to use the men’s shower room then, where they will be forced to be uncomfortable and feel unsafe? You’re trying to link Trans women with lewdness and possibly sexual assault.
Letting repeat offender violent criminals go free in the name of criminal justice reform is an idiot policy.
Finally we’ve gotten away from this infatuation with Trans people. Repeat offender violent criminals don’t just go free. The key there is violent. They won’t be the first ones released when the remand centers become full. This time you used a racist dog whistle to talk about Black people without saying Black people.
Declaring that shoplifting is legal will only lead to stores closing and food deserts.
What? No justice department officials have declared shoplifting legal. I imagine it must be difficult to identify and then prosecute a mob of people when it’s one store, and not, say, Congress. Again, this time you used a racist dog whistle to talk about Black people without saying Black people.
Affirmative action actually hurts the people it claims to help.
This time you didn’t really try to hide the racism. The honesty is kinda refreshing. Affirmative action is an imperfect answer to a difficult problem. But leaving people in poverty isn’t an answer either.
If you’re accusing someone of transphobia or racism, remember that many
reasonablethings are now labeled as right-wing extremist ideas.
Fixed that for you.
