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Why does it matter if Israel, whose citizens and visitors are hostages, responds to a request to release the hostages?

Give me a break. Israel always gets absolved in everything doesn’t it.

Yeah it could be propaganda but your reasoning is really deficient here.

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I’m sorry you think that way. I am genuinely pro-Palestinian freedom. Antiapartheid. But I’m not going to take propaganda at face value. We have to critically think about all the data we’re getting.

Hamas saying they are unable to release two hostages is false on the face of itself. To claim that they are unable to release hostages because of Israeli resistance is also demonstrably false. We both agree, in this very conversation, the Hamas could drop off anybody they want to the Red Cross at any time. The fact that they’re unwilling to do that, and blame Israel, demonstrates this is a false propaganda narrative.

This is not a dichotomy, you’re not pro-Hamas or pro Israeli. There’s more positions to that. Both of the belligerent military forces here have demonstrated themselves to lie constantly. We can dislike both of them and still want Palestinian freedom, and the end of apartheid.

But if my logic is incorrect, please help me understand my logical errors here.

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Your “why does it matter if” and resting your argument on it. I don’t see it. Why wouldn’t Israel negotiate about hostage release? It has done so in the past successfully. Hamas isn’t pulling a wildcard here.

Looking at Israeli public opinion, it seems that no one believes this is a good way to handle the hostage situation. We can talk about Hamas lying all day but it’s quite likely true that hostages have died in Israeli bombing of Gaza itself. Again, Israel has a bigger goal here that goes beyond those hostages. Their own governments are betraying them, it’s not fair. Israel’s actions indicate that their concern for the wellbeing of those hostages is not genuine.

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Okay. Because you didn’t indicate any of my logic was incorrect. Do we both agree Hamas is lying about their intention to release two hostages with no strings attached? The demonstration of the lie is the fact that they haven’t done it.

Everything you said about the intent of Israel may or may not be true, but that’s not the subject here. This whole post is about Hamas lying about wanting to release hostages. It has nothing to do with Israel.

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