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No. Israel has said they are going for the total destruction of Hamas. Hamas is a government entity and the ruling government of Gaza.

Hamas has said they are going for the total destruction of Israel the nation. Including all Jewish civilians. Not the government, all Jewish people in Israel.

That’s been Hamas’ position for years. They want to eliminate all Jews from the region.

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Literally in the article that this post is about, they said they are trying to avoid civilians. It’s blatant fucking lie, but it’s what they’re saying.

You just said that they’re going publicly, for the destruction of all Jewish people, that contradicts the article that we’re talking about here. If they’re stated goal is the death of Jewish people, why would they try to avoid Jewish casualties, why would they say that? If it’s in their charter shouldn’t they reinforce it when they’re talking in public?

If we’re pulling in outside sources. https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

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Literally in the article that this post is about, they said they are trying to avoid civilians.

Yeah… so… after them killing over 1200 Israelis, the vast majority of them civilians, everyone they could get their hands on basically, I kinda don’t trust them.

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Yeah… so… after them killing over 5,000 Palestinians, the vast majority of them civilians, everyone they could get their hands on basically, I kinda don’t trust them.

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100%, they’re lying through their teeth.

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Nope. Quote it then if you’re so sure.

Nothing in that article at all says they have tried to avoid casualties.

“Israel is a country that has no place on our land,” Hamad said in an interview with Lebanese TV channel LBC on October 24, which was translated and published Wednesday by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI). “We must remove it because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation. We are not ashamed to say this.”

In the interview, Hamad said that Israel’s existence is “illogical” and that it must be wiped off all “Palestinian lands,” a term the terror group uses to mean the West Bank, Gaza and Israel, minus the Golan Heights.

When asked whether this meant the complete annihilation of Israel, Hamas replied: “Yes, of course.”

“We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do it twice and three times. The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave its October 7 onslaught] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth,” Hamad continued. “Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.”

“We are the victims of the occupation. Period. Therefore, nobody should blame us for the things we do. On October 7, October 10, October one-millionth, everything we do is justified,” Hamad said.

So they intentionally attacked civilians, this dude is claiming they know they attacked civilians, they will do it again and again and again until they completely eliminate the entire nation of Israel. Which includes all Jews in the region.

But hey, they claimed the land originally by genociding everyone that lived there too. So it’s par for the course.

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He also repeated the false assertion that Hamas had not intended to harm civilians, but that there were “complications” on the ground.

From the article above

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You know, I was going to point out how terrible his argument is, but there’s no need for that. It should be no surprise that they are just as craven as they say they are.

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