Almost 90 bombs were dropped in one region in just 24 hours.

Russia unleashed an unprecedented bombardment in southern Ukraine overnight in what local officials described as a “massive attack” in the conflict which has continued to rage even as the international community’s attention has moved to the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.

The Ukrainian Internal Affairs Ministry on Monday morning said Russia dropped at least “87 aerial bombs on populated areas of the Kherson region - the largest number for all time.” At least eight people were also injured in other Russian strikes carried out in the Odessa region further to the west on Sunday night.

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Ukraine needs all the air defense they can get. Russia has been signaling they will try again to freeze the civilian population this winter.

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If we’d shift funds from Israel (who are committing genocide) to Ukraine (who are defending themselves) it helps Palestine and hurts Russia too.

Is a win/win.

Imagine if Ukraine had the iron dome America bought Israel.

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Imagine if Ukraine had the iron dome America bought Israel.

I know your heart is in the right place but ID barely covers a city and operating costs are extremely high. Right now the missiles that the ID system uses cost something around $1,000,000 each so defending just this latest bombing run would have been $90,000,000 USD.

No one could afford to operate the system even if it could be built.

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ID interceptor missiles are more like $50k-150k a piece, but multiple are fired during each interception to increase chances of a successful hit. The amount fired already since the 7th is still probably in the $1-2 billion range if you estimate conservatively.

Iron Knife and Iron Beam are much cheaper per shot (~$4 and $2500 respectively) but are developed by Israel itself in collaboration with US military industrial contractors. The Gaza war is a giant live fire test for them and countries including the US and India are lining up to buy them.

Iron Dome as a whole thing array also includes David’s Sling and the Arrows which cover different type of attacks. I. E. Cruise and ballistic missiles amongst other things.

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Israel doesn’t actually need American money, unfortunately. Sure, it helps them, but they can continue this campaign for a long time without a dollar from the U.S. Ukraine, on the other hand, is a much more desperate situation. I’m not saying that means we shouldn’t shift funds from Israel to Ukraine, because I agree we should do that, but it will likely not help Palestinians much.

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So you want Israel to be bombed even more and everyone there killed? Because that’s the plan of Palestine and Lebanon (which is genocide btw). And would happen if they didn’t have the iron dome.

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Those bombings only happen because of retaliation to turning their country into a concentration camp.

Terrorism can not be justified, but I doubt many (including you) would act differently if you were in the situation Palestine is in.

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Israel, just like Russia, can simply stop occupying territories which don’t belong to them and stop a genocide. And no one will be killed. Stop apologizing the genocide, ok?

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Israel is defending itself as well. They just have a better counter attack success rate. Or did we forget that Ukraine also wants to bomb Moscow etc. (and has launched drones etc).

The key difference is one is a gov one is a terror org who represents their gov.

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No expert seriously believes that Ukraine has the ability to bomb Moscow. The few small-scale drone attacks attributed to it --Ukraine officially denied responsibility-- are thought to have been meant as psy ops, kind of a wake up call to Moscow, a city that Putin has gone out of his way to insulate from the war --none of his conscripts come from Moscow, for example.

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Imagine all the dead Jews that would cause too.

Palestine isn’t a nation of saints.

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Israel assassinates journalists and sells weapons grade hacking technology to oppressive regimes.

Also, until Israel started their ground assault Jews hadn’t really been dying since 7 October. Almost all deaths since then have been Palestinian.

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Which is a “nation of saints”?

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There is a lot of misinformation in your comment.

The United States didn’t fund Israel’s iron dome system.

There isn’t a genocide (race / tribe killing) in Gaza. That’s a population transfer or eviction of lands.

Ukraine and the United States are working together to implement a air defense system. A likely defense treaty and a 100 year lease on military bases in exchange for infrastructure rebuilding is on the table.

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There isn’t a genocide (race / tribe killing) in Gaza

Genocide isn’t just killing…

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

And even if that was just indiscriminate killing based on race/ethnicity, the UN is already saying what Israel is doing amounts to that

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-running-out-time-un-experts-warn-demanding-ceasefire-prevent-genocide

Your opinion is your opinion.

But what is/isn’t a genocide is clearly defined in the Geneva convention. And even if you’re definition was correct, the UN disagrees with you about Israel meeting that definition.

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That’s a population transfer or eviction of lands.

Jesus christ.

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