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Actually, it’s not embellished at all, in fact, if you’ve seen the archives, most reports under-sell the atrocities. You have to wonder why both The Media Line and The Guardian were at the same press conference, yet The Media Line chose to show the picture with the metal wire.

It’s because The Media Line clearly has an agenda to garner an emotional response from its audience?

That can certainly be true.

Another point of view is that sources like The Guardian are irresponsible for not showing the images when many people are accusing Israel of embellishment.

Yes there is a picture and there is a metal wire there and there are more, multitudes more.

There are trucks filled with burnt bodies, there’s images of a burnt child running and falling. There’s videos of smoke still rising from the bodies as first responders reach the scenes.

But you know, if you want more, here you go.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67165128

https://www.haaretz.com/0000018b-3313-dff1-a5eb-ffffee6f0000

Now you have BBC who corroborates the metal wire, and Haaretz that describes the beheaded babies as accurate, both well known and trusted sources.

If you actually want the archive with the first responder telegram that corroborates all this too I can PM it also.

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Images of the steel wire are conspicuously missing from the media line report.

The Haaretz article doesn’t corroborate the beheaded babies allegation. It just repeats the hearsay:

According to the people involved in handling the bodies, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s description of beheaded babies is accurate.

The BBC also just repeats a claim:

One of the team said the bodies of more than 20 children had been found nearby, tied together and burned.

I wouldn’t expect BBC or Haaretz to actually show photos like that, but neither mentions seeing photos or other evidence and verifying the claims. The organizations presumably have access to the Telegram archive and have the means to verify the worst alleged excesses of the attack, but so far they haven’t.

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Well look.

If this were any other country in Europe or the US, no one would be questioning the doctors, the first responders, and news outlets who report their claims. Because ultimately, that’s what’s going on here.

If you acknowledge that this is an unconventional response to such overwhelming proof, I will reserve my pure bewilderment.

And if you’re still questioning the Metal wire, yes, it’s in the Media Line report. Check the scanned image. It’s literally right there, bottom right of the scan you can see the metal loop, and follow it around the bodies.

Do you want the Telegram archive? I have access to 2. One that shows live killings, as corroborated by the BBC, NYT, who were shown the same footage at a screening in Israel, and one that shows images and CCTV uploaded by first responders.

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If this were any other country in Europe or the US, no one would be questioning the doctors, the first responders, and news outlets who report their claims. Because ultimately, that’s what’s going on here.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. There were some big allegations of mass rape and infant decapitations, which received a lot of attention and credulity and then turned out to be unsubstantiated. It’s happened before in other conflicts where unsubstantiated claims of specific attrocities have been used to dehumanize enemies and build support for war. The Nayirah testimony comes to mind as an infamous example. So, when I hear wild stories of victims bound together with steel wire (of all things) and then directly set on fire, I am rightfully skeptical.

The image of the CT scan the The Media Line shows something next to the torsos, but we don’t know what it is because there’s no quote from Dr. Kugel or any other expert to tell us. This report also omits a detail that the Guardian report includes, which is that the remains were recovered from a safe room in a kibbutz. Therefore, a scenario where the two individuals were tied together (with steel wire) and directly set on fire, as opposed to being trapped in a room in a burning building, seems relatively farfetched.

Operation Al-Aqsa Flood featured many confirmed atrocities. I’ve seen videos and read corroborating reports. I do not dispute that. What I take issue with are the uncorroborated rumors that seem designed to make people especially upset. The Israeli government, its supporters, and apologists were so quick and eager to run with the false allegations of mass rape and infant beheadings. If there was evidence that unequivocally confirmed that people were tied together and set on fire, a scene that might have come from a Saw sequel, they would absolutely be showcasing it. However, not even The Media Line report can produce a quote from a forensic expert (that isn’t an obvious lie) to support the allegation.

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