“Hamas’s broader plan [was] one that analysts say was intended not just to kill and capture Israelis, but to spark a conflagration that would sweep the region and lead to a wider conflict.”
Lemmy is the only place where I see people being like “butchering civilians is okay as long as it was done to further their goal”. It’s real weird to see that kind of rhetoric not only accepted but upvoted.
Understanding why Hamas might feel they are justified isn’t the same as thinking it’s OK. I don’t condone what Hamas did - but I absolutely condemn how far Israel is going in response.
I also object to the idea that wanting Israel to stop is akin to antisemitism.
The comment I responded to was basically “what else could they have done?” To most people that’s condoning.
And the logic of “they feel it’s justified” could be extended to Israel as well. It’s clear that a lot of people think that Hamas butchering civilians means Israel can too. Doesn’t make it right either.
And well, why don’t you condemn just as strongly Hamas’s killings, or understand why Israel might feel they’re justified? That’s kind of what I mean— there’s these little slants, as if to say “at least they’re not the other side”.
Call me sensitive or whatever but I don’t like the violent undertones I get here (not your comment, Lemmy in general). Repeating Hamas’s justifications for slaughter is no better than repeating Israel’s, and imo drags down the general quality of any discussion
Fair enough but I’ll keep my reply short for now -
We all know agree that Hamas are terrorists. Of course I condemn the attack, but I don’t expect terrorists to behave in a way I’m happy with.
But Israel holds far more power and has more options. They are the vastly superior entity by every metric. They are also a member of the United Nations, and can reasonably be expected to conduct themselves better than acknowledged terrorist groups. Israel had a great justification to respond to the attack. They don’t have a justification for going as far as they are.
Quoting myself from earlier -
Hamas didn’t change the discussion, Israel did. I came into the news on Oct 07 with “Fucking Hamas” vibes, but that very quickly changed to, “Wow OK, Israel isn’t fucking around.” then “Woah Israel OK, maybe use a little more care there, I get that you were attacked but – WOAH ISRAEL WTF ARE YOU DOING?”
