“with wind the single-biggest contributor… Power production costs have declined “by almost half” … And the clean energy sector has created 50,000 new jobs… Ask me what was the impact on the electricity sector in Uruguay after this tragic war in Europe — zero.”

You are viewing a single thread.
View all comments View context
30 points
*

You’re right; 2/3 of worldwide energy is actually waste heat.

https://www.businessinsider.com/most-energy-still-comes-from-oil-2015-10

Here’s the chart from 2007: Waste heat / losses are in the top right, although it doesn’t show the transport sector losses which are higher than for coal generation.

What this means is that when we fully electrify all sectors, by using renewable energy such as wind and solar, our total energy generation capacity will only need to be about 1/3 to 1/4 of what we currently produce today to fulfill our current energy needs. That’s huge.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

that’s not quite right and mixes couple things

you have production losses and transmission losses. then you have waste heat used for household and industrial heating.

now you would also have to produce that portion electrically.

For instance in winter heating requirements of a typical house are 2x that of the electricity used.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

Correct me if I’m wrong, but electrifying a process doesn’t automatically make it not produce waste heat, right?

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

No but electric motors and heat pumps are much more efficient so electfication helps reduce waste heat

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

The reference to waste heat could include the heat from burning fossil fuels that isn’t turned directly into work. Which is a lot.

So you’re right, there will still be some waste heat and the reduction in production needs won’t be that drastic. But it’s still a significant chunk of the total!

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Converting energy to power will always produce at least one of heat or light (also radiant heat) in the process.

There is no 100% efficient power.

But, electric is the closest you could get. Especially compared to any petroleum products

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Yes of course, but a lot of energy is currently also used for heating things in cooking steel, chemical industry, concrete, etc. Those processes need energy as heat and directly produce waste heat. I agree it’s probably still significant. It’s just wrong to reduce energy consumption to “making things move”.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Changing your energy generation from burning something to turning a turbine with wind power, hydropower or geothermal power. Or just using solar, means that you have no waste heat for electrical generation.

Waste heat is only created when you burn a fuel to boil the water.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

If you heat things electrically you still generate waste heat. Think electrical stove and its bigger industrial counterparts.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Technology

!technology@lemmy.world

Create post

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


Community stats

  • 18K

    Monthly active users

  • 12K

    Posts

  • 553K

    Comments