You are viewing a single thread.
View all comments
53 points

It’s interesting to me how many people I’ve argued with about LLMs. They vehemently insist that this is a world changing technology and the start of the singularity.

Meanwhile whenever I attempt to use one professionally it has to be babied and tightly scoped down or else it goes way off the rails.

And structurally LLMs seem like they’ll always be vulnerable to that. They’re only useful because they bullshit but that also makes them impossible to rely on for anything else.

permalink
report
reply
20 points

I’ve been using LLMs pretty extensively in a professional capacity and with the proper grounding work it becomes very useful and reliable.

LLMs on their own is not the world changing tech, LLMs+grounding (what is now being called a Cognitive Architecture), that’s the world changing tech. So while LLMs can be vulnerable to bullshitting, there is a lot of work around them that can qualitatively change their performance.

permalink
report
parent
reply
10 points

I’m a few months out of date in the latest in the field and I know it’s changing quickly. What progress has been made towards solving hallucinations? The feeding output into another LLM for evaluation never seemed like a tenable solution to me.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

Essentially, you don’t ask them to use their internal knowledge. In fact, you explicitly ask them not to. The technique is generally referred to as Retrieval Augmented Generation. You take the context/user input and you retrieve relevant information from the net/your DB/vector DB/whatever, and you give it to an LLM with how to transform this information (summarize, answer a question, etc).

So you try as much as you can to “ground” the LLM with knowledge that you trust, and to only use this information to perform the task.

So you get a system that can do a really good job at transforming the data you have into the right shape for the task(s) you need to perform, without requiring your LLM to act as a source of information, only a great data massager.

permalink
report
parent
reply
18 points

They are useful when you need to generate quasi meaningful bullshit in large volumes easily.

LLMs are being used in medicine now, not to help with diagnosis or correlate seemingly unrelated health data, but to write responses to complaint letters or generate reflective portfolio entries for appraisal.

Don’t get me wrong, outsourcing the bullshit and waffle in medicine is still a win, it frees up time and energy for the highly trained organic general intelligences to do what they do best. I just don’t think it’s the exact outcome the industry expected.

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

I think it’s the outcome anyone really familiar with the tech expected, but that rarely translates to marketing departments and c-suite types.

I did an LLM project in school, and while that was a limited introduction, it was enough for me to doubt most of the claims coming from LLM orgs. An LLM is good at matching its corpus and that’s about it. So it’ll work well for things like summaries, routine text generation, and similar tasks (and it’s surprisingly good at forming believable text), but it’ll always disappoint with creative work.

I’m sure the tech can do quite a bit more than my class went through, but the limitations here are quite fundamental to the tech.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

That’s kinda the point of my above comment: they’re useful for bullshit: that’s why they’ll never be trustworthy

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points
*

I use chatgpt to make up stuff, imagine things that don’t exist for fun - like a ‘pitch’ for the next new Star Trek series, or to reword my much too succinct prose for a manual for a program I am writing (‘Calcula’ in gitlab) or ideas for a new kind of restaurant (The chef teaches you how to cook the meal you are about to eat) - but never have it code or ask it about facts, it makes them up just as easily as the stuff I just described.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

A great use for the tool

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

It’s a computer that understands my words and can reply, even complete tasks upon request, nevermind the result. To me that’s pretty groundbreaking.

permalink
report
parent
reply
24 points

It’s a probabilistic network that generates a response based on your input.

No understanding required.

permalink
report
parent
reply
15 points

It’s a probabilistic network that generates a response based on your input.

Same

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

Ask it to write code that replaces every occurrence of “me” in every file name in a folder with “us”, but excluding occurrences that are part of a word (like medium should not be usdium) and it will give you code that does exactly that.

You can ask it to write code that does a heat simulation in a plate of aluminum given one side of heated and the other cooled. It will get there with some help. It works. That’s absolutely fucking crazy.

permalink
report
parent
reply
-1 points

Yet it can outperform humans on some tests involving logic. It will never be perfect, but that implies you can test its IQ

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points

That is exactly what it doesn’t. There is no “understanding” and that is exactly the problem. It generates some output that is similar to what it has already seen from the dataset it’s been fed with that might correlate to your input.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Technology

!technology@lemmy.ml

Create post

This is the official technology community of Lemmy.ml for all news related to creation and use of technology, and to facilitate civil, meaningful discussion around it.


Ask in DM before posting product reviews or ads. All such posts otherwise are subject to removal.


Rules:

1: All Lemmy rules apply

2: Do not post low effort posts

3: NEVER post naziped*gore stuff

4: Always post article URLs or their archived version URLs as sources, NOT screenshots. Help the blind users.

5: personal rants of Big Tech CEOs like Elon Musk are unwelcome (does not include posts about their companies affecting wide range of people)

6: no advertisement posts unless verified as legitimate and non-exploitative/non-consumerist

7: crypto related posts, unless essential, are disallowed

Community stats

  • 4.5K

    Monthly active users

  • 2.8K

    Posts

  • 45K

    Comments

Community moderators