celebs should never ever be taken seriously when it comes to any other matter than the one they actually excel at, be it football or acting etc.
No I dont want a fucking actor, raised by actors, isolated from society telling me how to vote or what to think about economics. Same goes for footballers. These people are not normal in any sense of the word nor do they have any understanding of the world they live in so sheltered.
This isn’t generally true of footballers, lots of them come from normal working class families and have an idea of what life is like for average people.
See Marcus Rashford for one, he is so passionate about tacking poverty because he lived through it, and he isn’t an anomaly, there are so many footballers that grew up in rough circumstances past and present.
On the other hand they’ve pretty much all been in professional football from their teens and not had to deal with any of these things in adult life first hand.
I partly disagree with this.
Footballers are ordinary people like you and me and therefore their opinions on anything have as much value as any. Anyone can be passionate about something regardless of their job, status or wealth.
Whether you choose to value their individual opinion is up to you but to blanket disregard something someone who isn’t an expert in is wrong imo.
You should generally be coming at it the other way and valuing an experts opinion in higher regard.
Fully agree with you. Rashford’s work in particular showed how public figures can enact real change around bigger issues beyond football.
If anything, Henderson’s situation highlights how fine the line is between activisim and virtue signaling.
Its easy to put out a statement in support of something with nothing on the line. If Hendo truly cared, he wouldnt have taken the job.
I have family members that are gay, and I would never get in bed with Saudi as it would destroy my relationship with them. Having said that, Ive never had millions waved in front of my face, so who knows if I would really stick by my morals.
I generally agree with you but just playing devil’s advocate, I think Rashford used his voice and position well to make good effective change.
There’s definitely positive examples yes. But by golly are they rare and mostly something we can only judge on the surface. Geniunely appreciate Rashys work a lot but I’m saddened he even has to do that level of advocating for such a no brainer
Yeah you’d think starving children = bad is a fairly easy position for all of us to get behind.
But Tories gonna Tory.
I generally agree with you but just playing devil’s advocate, I think Rashford used his voice and position well to make good effective change.
I mean… until pretty recently we’d have said the same about Jordan Henderson…
I don’t even mean it as banter, but Marcus Rashford excels at Philanthropy as much as he does Football. No devil’s advocate about it.
I’d listen to Peter Cech’s opinion on hockey and drumming. You can be knowledgeable in more than one field.
You can be knowledgeable in more than one field
You can, but you need to prove it by showing your know knowledge in said field. In that case, you listen to someone talking about hockey that happens to be a successful footballer, not because he’s a successful footballer
I don’t know Cech outside of football, but I’m assuming the reason you and others (in particular, hockey people and drummers) listen to him on those topics and found it to make sense. Yes, without him being a successful footballer you’d never heard about him, but he still needed to prove himself on that
Then you also have the obvious that having certain issues in some issues raises your commercial value to a degree that hockey and drumming don’t
I’d normally agree however a lot of footballers don’t come from prestigious backgrounds. Jordan or certainly a lot of his colleagues would come from a hugely diverse background. The one area he could have a voice is diversity. He championed a positive stance for many years and this move showed the world his diversity values were paper bill then.
But imagine growing up as a queer Liverpool fan from Liverpool from a city where the rest of the country/media and politicians ostracise us from everyone and don’t welcome us anyways. And then imagine two of the only men you have been able to trust and idolise throughout your life who have always said they support you and will stand up for you just abandoning you for money.
Agree. Fans (peasants) wants celebrities to stand up for them, no matter what the political view is, and when they mess up they get all mad. No shit, theyre celebrities. Not politicians or activists.
You say this as though politicians and activists represent the best interests of the public
That’s why politicians are held accountable or should be held accountable and take responsibility or judged for their actions/beliefs.
That is the basic notion of politics. Politicians don’t have, should be allowed to have, or not be judged when they do have a free will when it cones to how they represent publics interests.
Unfortunately most political spheres are corrupt, to varying degrees.
