Look, if Hamas wants to fight Israel, fine. The Palestinians have legitimate grievances. But Hamas actively and purposefully kidnapped a bunch of women and raped them to death. That’s never, ever understandable or excusable, not even in war. “Lashing on your aggressor”, indeed!
So… The IDF walked back on the rape thing so setting that aside: Nobody sane is defending the deliberate murder of civilians that took place during the attack. That said, given the attack had legitimate military targets, calling the whole thing terrorism is playing right into Israel’s hands. We need to distinguish these things from each other; we have no evidence the attack had a goal of murdering civilians, and why would it? Even going by realpolitik they’re much more useful as hostages.
“Hamas soldiers shouldn’t have killed civilians” = legitimate criticism that needs to be addressed.
“Hamas shouldn’t have attacked the oh so peaceful Israel” = unabashed Israeli propaganda.
It is true that the fog of war makes it hard to know what is true, but as far as I know the rape allegations have not been walked back. If you haven’t read this BBC story, you should.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181
However, if there is newer, credible evidence that it isn’t true, I’ll be glad to hear it.
So there are two rape allegations, rape during the attack itself and rape after the attack after the hostages were taken to Gaza. The IDF walked back on the latter; the former is a fact.
Look if Isreal wanted to fight hamas. Okey, but Israel has been purposefully targeting civilians over and over for half a decade and the world is acting like it’s okey and Israel got a free pass at doing genocide because ww2. War crimes can go both ways indeed . Fuck Israel.
Exactly. Thank you. You’ll notice that I didn’t defend Israel in my comment either. I don’t think either side is morally blameless. There is no reason to choose one side or the other on the basis of morality. You can easily create a chain of reasoning similar to “Side A did X, because Side B did Y” all the way back to the beginning. There is no reason for a person to choose one side over the other besides personal preference or affiliation. In the case of governments, they choose a position based on geopolitical strategy.
That is precisely why it’s a neverending problem. So, what to do? Let them fight it out until one side gives up? Send in an international peacekeeping force? Have the security council impose a two-state solution? Currently, it appears that most of the world is okay with Option 1, for the time being at least.
one side are freedom fighters fighting against the genocide that is perpetrated against them and the others are colonizer doing ethnic cleansing, apartheid . The story of more than half the wolrd during the European colonization era. I don’t know about you but It’s an easy moral choice for me. Acting like both sides are equally horrible while Palestinians are fighting against being genocided only serves the one doing the genocide and it’s a strategy Israel heavily use. Fuck Israel.
Also, fuck you to all the people like you that completely forget the countless horrible acts from from beating to torture, stealing land and destroying homes to mercilessly killing and bombing civilians, or considering more than half Palestinians are under 18, literally “children” that the isreali fucks has been commiting for half a decade. But when hamas commit crimes towards the isreali settler fucks comming from their comfy western country fully expecting to steal a Palestinian family land and segregating them worse than South Africa apartheid you’re like oh, the humanity, where’s the humanity ! Israel shown none and therfore deserves none. Fuck Isreal !
