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66 points

Is there a list of Hamas’ demands published somewhere? Cause I don’t see it in the article…

I’m genuinely curious as to whether it’s an achievable list of demands vs ludicrous posturing that has no chance of ever being met.

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I’m pretty sure the raison d’etre of Hamas is just “death to Israel”

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Yes the abolishment of the oppressive genocidal ethno state of israel is indeed their goal.

I’m pretty sure the raison d’être of Nelson Mandela and the ANC was to end the Apartheid in South Africa as well.

Violent resistance groups don’t just magically spawn out of thin air.

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26 points

They’re a terrorist organisation and use terrorist methods. They don’t even care if Palestinians get killed. Can’t believe you’re equating them with Nelson Mandela 😂

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Palestine is more of an ethnostate than israel lol.

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7 points

Number one is the complete removal of Israel always. So highly doubtful.

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Do you have the actual list that shows this is part of their current “list of demands”?

I realize that was part of the Hamas charter, but that’s a different beast than what sounds like their current list of demands. This would be an example of a ludicrous demand that is just for show rather than a serious negotiation.

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They want a ceasefire, the blockade to be loosened and the release of all Palestinian prisoners in Israel. All things that shouldn’t need even need negotiation to happen in a non-Apartheid state.

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Is there an actual published list of demands somewhere that is cite-able?

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So it doesn’t say much but I found this,

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/11/analysis-why-did-hamas-attack-now-and-what-is-next

The Hamas leadership has said that the objectives of the attacks are ending “Israeli violations”, securing the release of Palestinian prisoners, and “returning to the project of establishing a state”

Israeli violations can be understood to main airstrikes and other military action against Gaza, though it’s unclear if it includes the blockade.

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7 points

ceasefire

Which Hamas broke on Oct 7, despite loosening restrictions on Gaza, then again on Nov 30.

blockade

Which Egypt and Israel instated with international support because Hamas even turns humanitarian aid into weapons.

Apartheid

Palestinian Israelis serve in every level of government and civic life.

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There are 2M Palestinians living within the borders that Israel claims as it’s own. There are 8M Israelis (that figure includes Palestinian Israelis). Palestinians would need to hold roughly 1/5 of all gov’t positions in order for them to be anything other than a token minority. But they don’t. In fact, it’s not even close. The US, despite it’s 200+ year racist and patriarchal history, has better representation of non-white and non-male people in Congress–as a proportion of the population–than Israel does.

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Israel broke the ceasefire by invading Al Aqsa before Oct 7 it was the direct reason for the attack.

Also israel refused to extend the ceasefire agreement and were probably the first party that threw bombs on 30 nov.

Lay off the IDF propaganda for a bit.

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6 points

So, a third ceasefire now, with them starting new attacks within 30 minutes or less? Or are we past third yet?

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It’s like the 17th ceasefire with Hamas. They just use them to rebuild their rocket supplies, then break them when they’re ready.

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I mean Israel doesn’t follow its ceasefires. What do they expect will happen? Despite two agreements stipulating that the blockade would be lifted and air strikes would stop neither happened.

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Many of those prisoners are there after participating in terrorist activities, many of them murdering lots of innocent civilians. The only reason they’re still there is because Israel does not have the death penalty.

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And about 1100 are there without charge.

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They need to release hostages for a ceasefire. You know, those they just said they will kill. Try to keep up.

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3 points

Release the hostages and then what? Lose all their leverage? I can bet you right now if they release the hostages outside of an actual ceasefire agreements none of their demands will be met.

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Well, in your boot licking eyes, it can only be the latter even if the only demand is “Everyone stops killing people.”

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25 points

Lol what the fuck is your problem?

I ask a question, making me a boot licker. So I guess people who never ask questions, like you, are what… ?

Fucking trolls is what.

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You and the boot licking pro genocide bile you constantly spew.

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10 points

Yes, but Hamas did start the war so it’s not that simple

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Even if you ignore the Nakba, the war started in 1967 with the Israeli occupation of territory now claimed by the State of Palestine.

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No…

No they didn’t.

They tried to go for a rebel strike that might make Israel pause and think about their constant ongoing oppression and slaughter, but Papa Biden was there to make sure that didn’t work.

It wasn’t bad enough that white nation’s went in, stole their land, and displaced them.

America had been depending on Israel to buy and use their guns and ammunition the whole time through to prop up the military industrial complex and give America a toe-hold across the Pacific.

Plenty of bootlicking Americans around to deny that long and horrific history though.

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