The world has experienced its hottest day on record, according to meteorologists.

The average global temperature reached 17.01C (62.62F) on Monday, according to the US National Centres for Environmental Prediction.

The figure surpasses the previous record of 16.92C (62.46F) - set back in August 2016.

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The idea that nonviolent protest works has been the most harmful idea in history

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I mean nonviolent protests DO work.

Non-disruptive DOES NOT work though.

MLK Jr didn’t peacefully sit in a park. They ran boycotts, sit ins, shut down streets, trespassed into white only areas, and drove businesses insane.

If MLK Jr was your enemy you were going to have a miserable time when he rolled into town.

Ghandi had people illegally burn documents and basically smuggled salt against all regulations.

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MLK had the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam as looming threats. Gandhi is also the one who said “pacifism without violence is not pacifism, it is helplessness.” A violent counterpart to a non-violent movement helps by being the stick to the non-violent carrot.

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That’s fair, but either way we gotta give up on this nondisruptive nonsense.

Gathering on the park outside of the white house at a time they agreed to doesn’t do anything and why it’s encouraged.

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See US Constitution, Amendment 2 for another example of backing peace with capability of violence to earn respect.

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Oh yeah? Tell that to Gandhi

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You are aware that besides Gandhi there was a lot of violent protest?

Only violent protest makes the demands of the nonviolent acceptable to the ruling class. Without a violent part of a movement, the demands of the nonviolent are always ignored. Which is perfectly logical, because why accept the demands of someone you can ignore without consequences.

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Disruption can be non violent

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Gandhi was a UK agent and delayed Indian independence by decades. Also he was a pedophile.

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Thanks for those insights even if they’re not really relevant to what was being discussed

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Yup, the only real revolution is a violent revolution.

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Violence is a sometimes (even often) unavoidable byproduct of revolution, not an essential characteristic. Don’t confuse the two.

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George Jackson would disagree.

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You know, now that a good portion of people are on Lemmy, it just might be the perfect place to start organizing, whatever you feel that may be…

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Czechoslovakia’s Velvet Revolution would suggest otherwise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution

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Okay, when a government has completely collapsed, after the total collapse of the larger global leading entity; a peaceful revolution that results in something completely new, should be the top option.

But I don’t think we have that much time

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And how the heck do we know that it have any reasonable chance of working out well and that it won’t be brutally suppressed or co-opted by reactionaries? And how would anyone even organize such a thing? ~Strawberry

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We don’t have any idea if it will work out or if it’ll be snuffed out.

However, the lack of purposeful revolution will result in an aimless one, carried on not with thought and intent, but instead as a reaction to the immseration of the world’s people as we bake in and are flooded from our homes and cities.

The only option is to try as the current hegemony will not solve the problems we face for the problems are a direct result of their desired politics in action.

As for organizing one, that’s way too long of a conversation to occur here.

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