It’s just too bad there’s no word in the English language for a situation that’s worse than a stalemate.

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That is indeed the word I had in mind. Based on what Russians are saying, it sounds like they’re not interested in western Ukraine in the slightest. My expectation is that the west will be stuck with a dysfunctional rump state in western Ukraine.

And from what I’ve seen libs in the mainstream are still convinced that Ukraine is winning.

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Thing is, if Russian troops don’t enter western Ukraine they can’t really remove its government or get anything but a Korea divided armistice situation where there’s no permanent legal cessation of hostilities, no international or even local recognition of new territorial realities and the prospect of continued terrorism against Russia by groups that they will claim to not control. They also wouldn’t achieve de-nazification or de-militarization as that western side would be built up to be bristling with arms and NATO trained, Russia-hating Nazi-loving troops. Under that situation the west will declare victory including the media and liberals, they’ll claim they didn’t expel Putin but they did stop his march west and that if they hadn’t stood with Ukraine he’d be in Paris by now or something.

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I don’t think they need to remove the government there. And international recognition of new territories doesn’t really matter in any practical way. Russia also absolutely doesn’t care what narrative the west is spinning as they’ve shown over the past two years. Neither people in Russia or any country aligned with Russia pay much attention to that.

On the other hand, a dysfunctional rump state of Ukraine would present a huge problem for the west. Either it becomes an black hole that the west has to keep pouring money into in order to prop it up, or it collapses and there’s a massive refugee crisis in Europe. The economic situation in the west is already shaky with Eurozone going into a recession. Either scenario is going to make the economic situation even worse.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian nationalists are already starting to say that the west betrayed them, and there will to be just as much animosity towards the west as there is toward Russia going forward. The fascists from Ukraine have already been linking up with far right groups across Europe, and we know that around 70% of the weapons shipped to Ukraine went missing. I imagine a lot of these made their way into the hands of terrorist cells in European countries.

In fact, Naryshkin has already alluded to Ukraine becoming another Vietnam for US. So, I very much think that Russian strategy will continue to be to do attrition and to create an unsustainable economic situation for the west.

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This is all so much confusing and anger-inducing. I get the headaches of strategy though, so many layers to this. Part of me thinks that Russia should go on a true offensive soon if Ukraine doesn’t agree to a peace deal, but that might backfire and inspire the Amerikkkan and UkraNazi imperialists to add some money from the U.S. black budget and begin to throw more hordes of bad guys at Russia, economic stability be damned.

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