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Can you link such studies, because I don’t understand how that could possibly be true

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Here’s an NPR article interviewing a known geneticist and talking about Trans Athletes. Their general consensus is that there is a lack of data to make an assertion one way or the other for if trans athletes have an edge. And that’s without taking into account the vast differences between each individual trans person and where they’re at genetically/hormonally. Trans athletes aren’t a monolith that are all the same, they can have fundamentally different circumstances and genetics between each person.

Honestly any automatic ban of trans-athletes is stupid. Michael Phelps has a natural genetic advantage when it comes to swimming, but no one of note is coming for his gold medals or saying he can’t compete.

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https://www.cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review

There’s not a huge amount of data about this yet, and the true patterns will become more apparent as we have more data, but the data we do have suggests no inherit advantage over cisgender female athletes.

Please try not to use your own understanding of a subject as a measure of its possibility…its an unreliable metric.

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You are using a source that literally says “we don’t have enough information to come to a conclusion, but here’s what we do have” and presenting it as fact because you agree with it. I would call your understanding quite unreliable.

What we do have enough information on is the differences between the male and female body. Studied for centuries. There are significant differences between the two that lend themselves to physical advantages. Pretending biological males are not at a physical advantage over females is absurd and not based in any kind of science or reality.

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Except science and reality as it exists today. I literally stated up front that there was little evidence. That doesn’t change what the existing evidence shows.

Available evidence indicates trans women who have undergone testosterone suppression have no clear biological advantages over cis women in elite sport. • The higher levels of red blood cell count experienced by cis men is removed within the first four months of testosterone suppression; • There is no basis for athletic advantage conferred by bone size or density, other than advantages achieved through height. Elite athletes tend to have higher than average height across genders, and above-average height is not currently classified as an athletic advantage requiring regulation; • On average, trans women who are pre-testosterone suppression still have lower Lean Body Mass (LBM), Cross Section Area (CSA), and strength than cis males. This indicates that the performance benefit experienced by these individuals cannot be generalized by examining cis male athletes; • Non-athletic trans women experience significant reduction in LBM, CSA, and strength loss within 12 months of hormonal suppression. It is important to note that this 12-month threshold is arbitrarily defined, and no significant studies examine the rate of LBM, CSA or strength reduction over time; • When adjusting for height and fat mass, LBM, CSA, and strength after 12 months of testosterone suppression, trans women still retained statistically higher levels than sedentary cis women. However, this difference is well within the normal distribution of LBM, CSA, and strength for cis women (Jassen et al., 2000); • LBM, CSA, and strength loss continues for trans women after the 12month initial testosterone suppression; • The limited available evidence examining the effect of testosterone suppression as it directly affects trans women’s athletic performance showed no athletic advantage exists after one year of testosterone suppression (Harper, 2015; Roberts et al., 2020; Harper, 2020); • Post gonad removal, many trans women experience testosterone levels far below that of pre-menopausal cis women. 5

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“we don’t have enough information to come to a conclusion, but here’s what we do have” and presenting it as fact

They literally prefaced their post with that exact statement. There was no misrepresentation.

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The first thing that says

Biological data are severely limited, and often methodologically flawed.

Sounds like an unreliable metric to me

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You asked for a link to available research and rexeives one. I’m sorry it didn’t match your pre-conceived notions. Welcome to science, where we make the best decisions we can based on available evidence. The evidence that currently exists says there’s little to indicate a difference exists. Do you have a better suggestion aside from just making up some data and seeing what that says?

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