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This is why I prefer socialism over capitalism.

In socialism, I’d be poor and have no choice of what I buy or eat but I can live and afford having children.

In capitalism, where you have freedom, the same rules applies to poor and rich citizens. The difference is that the rich can afford lawyers and are able to lobby to change/break the law on their favor. You don’t.

This is how the cost of living would go 100% up and you wage increase by 1.34% each year.

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you do know that under a socialist system worker-owned companies would compete in the market right? you’d still have lots of choice lol

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I’m interested to know more.

Some people only think of bad vibes of the Soviet Union when anyone talk bad about capitalism.

In my country, we have free healthcare, free education, livable wages, free market.

We’re not capitalist tho. A mix of socialism and capitalism.

100% communism is bad, 100% capitalism is bad, 100% socialism is bad.

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socialism isn’t just “government owns/provides everything.

There are different flavours. One of which entails workers owning the companies they work for, rather than the state owning everything.

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I am a worker under capitalism. The owner tells me how to work. I sell my time for money. I produce value for the owner. The owner keeps the difference between the value I produce and the money for which I sold my time. The excess value after paying for my time is kept by the owner. I have money to buy products.

I am a worker under socialism. I decide how to work with other workers. I produce value. I provide my value to those in need.

I prefer to own my time and value. I do not want to pay a state to give money to owners. I do not want to empower a state to use violence if I do not comply.

I am not sure how communism, socialism and capitalism are being used here. I am an anarchist. I would say states are bad, owners are bad, heirarchy is bad.

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I think what you are reffering to as “not capitalist” is called social market economy, at least that’s what it’s called in german.

Some economists also reffer to it as Rhein Capitalism, because it’s mostly used in europe and was important to prevent west german citizens from wanting communism.

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Regardless of how you’re defining capitalism and socialism, you haven’t changed systems if all you do is change which private entity owns the company.

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Could a worker-owned company sell itself to a single person, and become a company owned by one person?

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Only if the workers agreed to, collectively.

Democracy would decide

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That’s called freelancing. That’s already a thing and isn’t an issue because the worker is getting the fruits of their labor - there’s no capitalist making money off another person’s labor.

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My brain smooth would appreciate any elaboration please

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All systems fall to corruption. All. I believe an A or B choice is cheating humanity out of new solutions.

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Agreed about corruption.

But some systems are better than others.

In USA, as a billionaire, you can screw people and lobby aka “bribe” to get what you want.

And at the end, you pay 0 taxes.

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In socialism … I can live …

Not according to history.

Under capitalism people die of heart attacks and diabetes. Under socialism they die of starvation.

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This argument is invalid. You don’t die of heart attack… you get shot by the cops my friend. /s

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