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No WE did not. The people in those countries where it still happens allowed it to still happen.

None of us have any decisionmaking power to control what those countries do, so the burden to fix those problems is on those countries who allow it.

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It’s 100% a consequence of Capitalism, though. You’re blaming developing nations for the willful exploitation international Corporations commit and you personally benefit from.

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That’s just your opinion. The fact is that those developing nations should have child labor laws in place, and proper enforcement of those laws to prevent children from being exploited. The blame belongs squarely on those who allow it, and I reject any personal responsibility for any of that because I have no control over the laws of any country.

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It is not my opinion that international corporations brutally exploit the third world, it’s a fact. It is also not my opinion that Capitalism leads to this, the profit motive inevitably leads to it.

You claiming that developing nations should just fight against international corporations brutally exploiting them and absolving yourself of any responsibility you have for it is just sticking your head in the sand. If you aren’t boycotting Nestlé, you’re supporting them.

The “good” news is that there is no ethical consumption under Capitalism. You individually cannot do much, except protect, organize, and try your best to support less unethical companies whenever you can. However, to blame developing countries for corporations knowingly brutally exploiting them and offering no alternative is absolutely baffling.

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Are you 14? You don’t seem to understand how global trade works

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We get it, you’re white… relax

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yes we do. we demand money and offer that the only way they can make it is by exploitation.

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we demand money and offer that the only way they can make it is by exploitation.

This is the opposite of outsourcing labor.

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lets say america finds the cure for cancer, they only accept dollars. you have to get those dollars. welcome to the global trade.

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Not sure who the “we” in this situation is, but I’m not demanding anything from them. They’re selling shit and I’m buying. I’m not demanding products from them.

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I’m buying

consumers are responsible for what they consume. pay and forget doesn’t work

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Yeah those countries just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and start being productive members of the world.

I know we could help them out so they don’t have to go through all the hard times alone and without the knowledge we have, but fuck em hahahahahaha

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The fact is that those developing nations should have child labor laws in place, and proper enforcement of those laws to prevent children from being exploited. The blame belongs squarely on those who allow it.

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Uh huh, I bet you definitely have bought something that is connected to child labor. Now, STFU, fool.

For the record, if you’re in the U.S., there are plenty of children being exploited right here.

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What a strange take. You’re saying that if I, as a business owner, am fully aware that my production chain relies on slave or child labor in another country, I bear no moral responsibility because “well that country should have stopped it”?

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It’s a very complex issue, Western countries do a lot of things to help out less developed nations but we also do selfish things that makes life harder for them - unfortunately this is the reality of humanity, I am fighting my own personal ideological war against capitalism and the greed based system by which we live so I’m not defending it but it also has to be stated that other systems can have these flaws too.

We need a cultural shift to fix these problems, an economic one isn’t enough on its own

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But we are sharing knowledge and sending both aid and capital there. A lot of the countries are industrialized to the degree they are with the capital. Nobody acts in a vacuum these days.

We could be doing more for sure but we’re not doing nothing.

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That literally has nothing to do with what I was making fun of that guy for. He was arguing we shouldn’t help at all. I was being sarcastic with him.

I agree with what you’ve said

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