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32 points

I mean by 1944 germany was done for. It was done for by 1943, but 1944 it was so obvious, i doubt that person (with historic background!) even looked at the eastern front.

Land lease was important, and people may downplay it a bit more than they should, but war stuff is incomprehensible to me.

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23 points

germany was done the moment it lost the battle of moscow imo

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3 points

yes, in hindsight they lost in like january of 1942, but because they refused to admit it, it took a few more years to explain it to them.

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8 points

They were done the moment they didn’t finish off the British before invading the USSR

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On grand scale - when they failed were stopped at stalingrad/reaching oilfields, but like it requires a lot of whatifs and blahblah. By 1943 soviets were advancing 500 km a year, and germany industry couldn’t suddenly double its outputs, so war direction is fairly easy to see.

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19 points

Someone drop that paper/book from the U.S. military directly saying the USSR would have won the war without us

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Look I’m a professional i’ve played a lot of victoria 3 and when the front starts moving like that between great powers it’s over, one side has either lost too many men, morale, or materiel to put up an effective defense, much less push back

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I mean by 1944 germany was done for.

By June of '44, they were proper fucked.

But the US was officially in the war from '41 and was sending troops into North Africa in '42, which cut into the supply lines of German industry. It isn’t impossible to see the Germans securing a peace deal before their Russian invasion went sideways, and there were certainly no small number of American Fascists who would have liked to see a DC/Berlin alliance.

Had the US entered the war on the side of the Germans, rather than the British, that definitely would have been it for the Western facing Allies. So, from an entirely Atlantic perspective, the US saved the British from Germany in the aftermath of 1940. And if all you’re talking to are Angloids glued to the History Channel, I guess its fair to say America won the war for Churchill and de Gaulle. The Nazis might still be a thing (at least as far as Fransisco Franco remained a thing) well into the 1970s and 80s, had Americans not backed the English and French up.

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It isn’t impossible to see the Germans securing a peace deal before their Russian invasion went sideways

i don’t see why the UK would ever accept a unipolar europe while the royal navy & empire were still intact. the germans had no way to threaten the island besides bomber sorties and that campaign was a resounding failure

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i don’t see why the UK would ever accept a unipolar europe while the royal navy & empire were still intact.

The empire was falling apart in real time as colonial revolts popped off around the globe. Ending the European conflict so they could get a lid back on the rest of the empire would have been a better long term strategy than slugging it out with Berlin for another half-decade.

the germans had no way to threaten the island besides bomber sorties and that campaign was a resounding failure

Yemen shut down the entire Red Sea with a few rocket bombs. The Germans could have choked off the UK financially if they’d been more patient and less eager to score smashing blitzkrieg victories in every campaign. At some point, the UK needs steel and fuel, and has relatively limited ways to get it without passing through territory the Germans could threaten.

By the end of the war, England was in a state of near-starvation. There’s a great YouTube video of a woman who tries to make meals with English foodstock from the year 1946 to 19…90, one day for each year? The first couple meals are bleak and everyone leaves the table still hungry.

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6 points

I mean, even the western front was not going well by 1943. Africa had been dealt with by the end of it, and the Allies had successfully sent some huskys to Palermo

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