Those seem incompatible to me.

(UBI means Universal Basic Income, giving everyone a basic income, for free)

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My issue with it is that you haven’t run trials with people min-maxing how to squeeze people for their UBI checks. As a start, just raising rent until it eats all the UBI

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The problem with that argument is that UBI frees up people to move to lower cost of living areas.

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It also means there’s more money in the pool of demand for housing, so as long as it’s a free market there will be more effort applied to fulfilling housing needs.

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I grew up in a small coal town in Southern Illinois. The last time I was there was for my grandfather’s funeral. The town was abandoned and empty, even compared to when I was growing up which certainly wasn’t it’s booming time. Most of the stores on main Street were closed except the bar and the legion which is also a bar.

I’d move back in a heartbeat, but there’s no jobs there. The house that five generations of my family lived in sold for $30,000.

If we had Ubi, my family and I would definitely live there. A few thousand dollars a month to make sure we survive and money actually coming into the town? It would seem like a miracle and I know there’s so many little towns like that all across America that are just completely forgotten about.

People like to say that the rent will just go up to match ubi, but underestimate the number of people who live in cities solely because that’s where the work is.

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It was done in Vancouver, late 2021 to late 2022.

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Surely they have though. Anywhere where they ran the trials for more than about 3 months would have been an area where people tried to get other people’s UBI checks. That’s human nature for you.

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As a start, just raising rent until it eats all the UBI

You can’t just arbitrarily raise the rent to whatever you like.

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You must live in VENEZUELA or some other SOCIAMIST HELLHOLE!

Americans have the freedom to literally arbitrarily raise the rent to whatever they like YEEEEEEHAW!

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Yeah, the socialist hellhole that is the Netherlands. Ranked 8 in the Index of economic freedom (USA is #25)

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Okay let’s say I own a condo and I’m renting it out. I raise the rent to a million dollars a month.

What happens next?

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Yeah, I agree, we should abolish landlords

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Landlords also have to comply with the law, which limits the height of the rent they can charge and the maximum yearly increase.

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It depends on local regulations. There’s no federal law that limits the rent increase, if given notice. Like I’m pretty sure NYC has some kind of rent control, but at least here in Oklahoma it’s not common.

Edit: I found this, and I now feel worse

the state has rules that prevent local governments from creating their own rent control laws. In simpler terms, landlords in Oklahoma have the power to decide how much rent they want to charge without any legal limitations from the state or local authorities.

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That’s insane! The law of the land is that you can’t ban things that limit profit for those with capital. It reminds me of a law that prevents gun bans in Atlanta, GA.

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So you’re telling me rent in OK is off the charts? Or could there be some mechanism other than government limiting how high rents can go?

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