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I have always said that a bad crop year will wake up many to the problems we face as a civilization. We spend so much time in the inner world of the internet and computers that we have forgotten the outer world we exist in.

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@kinther @doom_and_gloom

Heh, city-dwellers have generally been oblivious to how food gets on their tables for much, much longer than the public had the internet.

When I was a kid in the 70s, it was a commonplace in calls to modernize education to decry “memorizing countries’ imports and exports” as an archaic waste of time. And there was none of that in the enlightened education I received.

Of course now I find myself endlessly fascinated by facts like “Australia is/was the biggest seller of coal to China” and “Ukraine provides a third of the wheat bought by African countries”.

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