Comment by theyoyomaster@lemmy.world on Is this actually conservative normally? Is it just being heavily brigaded right now?

If this isn’t a conservative community, can someone point me to the actually conservative community?

This is it, one of the downsides of a decentralized network like the fediverse here is that there is no current way to prevent brigading. It seems like this is mainly just one super MAGA dude ranting and a bunch of brigaders responding. I was going to give it some time and see if it mellowed out as it developed.

I don’t think there is any “brigading” going on here… Just to be clear what brigading actually is:

On reddit, there was a time when there were coordinated and organised efforts to “invade” another communities. For example, there were threads on 4Chan where users linked to subreddits or posts with the aim of having a bunch of users post similar stuff at the same time.

There was also brigading within reddit when one sub would make a post where they coordinate users to post specific comments in specific threads or post similar stuff in a specific subreddit.

As far as I can tell, that’s not what is happening here… There is no coordinated group effort here, it’s just that the vast majority of users on lemmy are not conservatives.

I’m actively removing offending posts and banning trolls. Bear with us, moderation tools are lacking, but I promise we’re working behind the scenes to keep discussion on topic.

Are Lemmy communities not able to moderate themselves?

Moderating can only go so far for brigading. Mass downvotes aren’t something moderators have control over. There’s also the risk of what reddit did where tons of subreddits proactively banned people simply for participating in other subreddits without ever posting in the banned subreddit.

The bottom line is that while reddit is super liberal, lemmy is openly hostile to anyone right of center and I don’t see any realistic solution to this. Welcome to the growing pains of a 15+ year old system going down and starting over from scratch.

I guess on Reddit conservative communities just have the critical mass needed to overcome the downvotes?

I suppose there being enough subreddits to distract people to the communities they’re interested keeps them from trolling/brigading/etc the communities they’re not.

I guess on Reddit conservative communities just have the critical mass needed to overcome the downvotes?

The /r/conservative subreddit bans anybody who isn’t conservaitve from commenting in the majority of important threads.

Does a ban stop someone from downvoting though? I didn’t think it did, but I’m not 100% sure.

A ban does, but at least with the comments its more of a lock out I think.

The solution to brigading is to move to an instance that doesn’t federate with brigaders.

If you don’t like the instance you’re on, you’re free to go somewhere else.

I mean, completely unfederated instances kinda defeat the point. I get along just fine with real liberals and have plenty of views that bridge both. Limiting participation to a single isolated instance is basically pointless, especially as an actual replacement for reddit. Brigading and hostility to anyone that isn’t part of the circle jerk is just a disadvantage to the solution to admin/CEO-proofing lemmy as a whole.

I mean, completely unfederated instances kinda defeat the point.

All instances start fully federated, and slowly get defederated by the communities that choose to do so.

Brigading and hostility to anyone that isn’t part of the circle jerk is just a disadvantage to the solution to admin/CEO-proofing lemmy as a whole.

Like it or not brigading is what stops places from being echo chambers.

Its already a far left echo chamber.

You’re more than welcome to stay here and make posts that criticize the left. But you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

You can either deal with an instance that leans left, or you can deal with one that doesn’t. It’s up to you.

It’s almost as if, people living off big bro, begging for free money and debt forgiveness have plenty of free time to chat on the internet all day… Meanwhile, conservatives are out in the world trying to hold the damn thing together!

Regarding the matter at hand. I don’t agree that it’s right to ban people who have opposing views. Most of my comment history here is talking to the leftists about that exact thing. Because yes, this place, as new as it is, is already feeling like a lefty’s echo chamber…

sad x indeed

It’s almost as if, people living off big bro

Have you actually asked people how they make a living, or are you just assuming?

begging for free money and debt forgiveness

Why is it that it is ok for the airline industry, the banks, corporate AG, etc, can all get these corporate bailouts, but when it is the people themselves that need a bailout, it’s mocked and derrided?

https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/list

Here is a list of corporations who have gotten govenment bailouts. Have you taken issue with a single one of these? Or do you only ever talk about social programs? Because when I poke my head inside conservative spaces all of the complaints go towards services that help people instead of corporate bail outs.

have plenty of free time to chat on the internet all day…

There are just as many posts on the internet from conservatives as there are from leftists.

Meanwhile, conservatives are out in the world trying to hold the damn thing together!

Conservatives are voting to destroy the environment at every chance:

https://eos.org/articles/environmental-ratings-lowest-ever-for-congressional-republicans

How can they hold the world together when they are voting to kill the environment/world?

Either way I’m not looking for isolated echo chambers with virtually no variety of content. Defederated instances defeat the entire point. I can get along just fine with people who I don’t agree with 100%, it would just be nice if others can do the same.

Like it or not brigading is what stops places from being echo chambers.

This is literally 100% false. Justify it however you want but your goal is to run anyone out that you disagree with so only your personal views are left. That isn’t stopping it from being an echo chamber.

I think the problem is that much of the “conservative” side is, well, divorced from reality. If you want to find a place in the fediverse that will simply let that slide, it’s not gonna happen. As long as you’ve got Trump leading the polls, his lackeys wasting time in the House on nonsense while ignoring criminals like Santos, other idiots banning books, a SCOTUS that’s the most blatantly corrupt, well, ever, etc. etc. etc. you’re going to have a bad time.

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