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RandomPancake@lemmy.world
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The election is a tug of war. Trump and his supporters are pulling on the right. Biden and his supporters are pulling on the left.

When you vote for an independent candidate, you are removing force that could have been used to pull against Trump and redirecting that force towards a candidate who has zero chance of winning. A vote for an independent candidate is a vote for Trump.

The only valid retort to this is “well I wasn’t going to vote anyway” and anyone who feels that way can shut the fuck up about everything.

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centof@lemm.ee
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A vote for an independent candidate is a vote for Trump.

No. It is a vote for an independent candidate.

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RandomPancake@lemmy.world
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Which will remove yet another barrier to Trump becoming president.

I’m all for breaking the two-party stranglehold but do it in a local election where it will make a difference. This year is the absolute worst year to try a failed presidential run.

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centof@lemm.ee
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I never advised anyone to vote for an independent candidate. I am simply correcting your misleading rhetoric.

Good advice on focusing locally for third parties.

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HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
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>When you vote for an independent candidate, you are removing force that could have been used to pull against Trump

Jill Stein and Cornel West are running against trump.

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RandomPancake@lemmy.world
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That’s nice. They’ll lose, and the momentum put to that independent candidate is momentum that could have been used against Trump. Voting for either of them is a vote for “I am not interested in what happens in this country, and sincerely hope Trump wins. Because instead of voting against him, instead I choose to throw away my vote by making some kind of ‘statement’ that will never be heard by anyone.”

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HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
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> instead of voting against him

voting for someone who is not trump is voting against him.

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HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
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>A vote for an independent candidate is a vote for Trump.

no, it’s not. stop spreading misinformation

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RandomPancake@lemmy.world
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It absolutely is. You’re removing a vote that could have been used to stop Trump and throwing it into a candidate who will not win. You are, quite literally saying, “I am completely fine with another Trump presidency”.

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acceptable_pumpkin@lemmy.world
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There you go again with no concept of how politics works in this country. You are either a shill, or a completely naive person. A vote for a 3rd party candidate is as effective as not voting in the national results. Can you at least see that? When electoral votes are tallied, and NONE go to a 3rd party candidate, those votes are wasted.

I wish this country had a different voting system other than first past the goal posts, but it doesn’t so you need to be realistic in your vote.

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HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
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if voting for an independent candidate counts as not voting (that’s a lie), and not voting is the same as voting for trump, does that mean that if i vote for trump, it is 2 votes? no.

you’re spreading misinformation.

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