Mark Manson, an American bestselling author and famous YouTuber, has made headlines by posting a video that he “traveled to the world’s most depressing country” after visiting Korea. Manson, a best-selling author who has written famous self-development books such as “The Art of Turning Off Nervousness,” is a YouTube creator with 1.44 million subscribers.
Manson recently released a 24-minute video on his YouTube channel under the theme of “Traveling to the World’s Depressing Country.” During his visit to Korea, Manson met with Americans, psychologists, and psychiatrists living in Korea to look into depression in Korean society.
How about you address his logic instead of going full ad personum.
You likely see this as a ramblings because barely anyone thinks about confucianism in modern times.
But it was state enforced for a while in multiple countries and left it’s mark in strict social hierarchies, blind subservience to one’s parents and focus on collective and ignoring individual needs and problems. Those reverberate in modern times and make the countries what they are now.
Sure, lived there 15 years and obtained dual citizenship.
I’ve now lived long term in my third country, so I am certainly in a position to compare living in multiple countries. If we want to focus just on depression, it’s a mixed bag.
Do Koreans work longer than other countries. Yes certainly. Statistics support that. Are they necessarily working ‘harder’? Not always. It depends a lot job to job, company to company.
To me the biggest thing contributing to overwork is the lack of holidays. For the longest time most statutory/bank holidays were not given additional days off if they fell on the weekend. Combine that with most companies not just giving you 2-4 weeks that you can use whenever you want, and most people worked a lot with little down time. Most companies would have a bit of time off in the summer, but they’d all take it at the same time and the prices would sky rocket meaning it was hard to enjoy what little time off you had.
This is not universal though. I know some larger companies had programs where people got specific days of the month off in addition and some had other half days on top of that.
focus on collective and ignoring individual needs and problems
This is a tough one. While they certainly do that in Korea, and things are changing in that regard as they’re acknowledging individualism more, it has certainly lead to a lot of efficiencies. As an example, to exchange a driver’s license in Korea it takes about 30 minutes and costs $10-15. In the UK you need to send it away, it costs £45, and takes 3+ weeks for them to process. If there are any issues, like say someone at the DVLA told you that your license officially printed in both English and Korean didn’t need a translation and then some jobsworth at the DVLA decided it did upon receipt, it has to be first sent back to you before you can go correct it.
For the most part bureaucratic stuff in Korea, while often talked about on the internet, is far easier to deal with, and much faster than it is in any of the other countries I’ve lived in. They also have a solid, central clearing house for making complaints about any organization in the country, government or private, and it can be done in just about any language.
The biggest issue I see contributing to poor quality of life is the density. Even when you have free time, you can’t enjoy anything outside of your house there. Want to go to the part? so did 1500 other people. Want to check out the cherry blossoms? Sure thing. Tag along wit your 5000 neighbours. Hit up ikea? Sure hope you like walking through it shoulder to shoulder without the ability to actually look at anything.
The density also means that no really has the ability to spread out and relax. Everyone lives in apartments/condos. Very few have yards. Those are the real day to day negatives that drag people down. I worked in companies as a proper employee and managed people as well, and while it was tough at times, it would have been so much better if it was possible to really enjoy your life outside of that. People want to, but it’s just very difficult in a small space with so many people.
How did you get dual citizenship? I’m pretty sure my wife will have to drop her Korean citizenship if she becomes an American
People who have Korean first can’t get it if they go abroad and get a new citizenship, going the other way there are ways for you to keep both. They changed the laws back in 2011.
Air pollution from China along with thinking about other people besides yourself helped with that. When the pandemic broke everyone already had a box or two of N95 masks in their house. The government also took immediate control over the mask industry and started rationing them.
They had strict mask regulations, people stayed home, they closed most businesses that would help spread it, things like home delivery for groceries was already a pretty big thing in Korea at the time, and the delivery food business is massive there. Initially, outside of an outbreak caused by a church cult, numbers were very low in Korea.
They only started going up when they allowed the kids to go back to school, but were still generally very low because people were pretty careful. They also had public free government testing and home test kits were pretty easily available. If you tested positive on a home kit, you just walked over to the local outdoor testing center, stepped up and got tested, they texted you the results the next day along with instructions on how long to quarantine and then they sent you a care package of some food, masks, blood oxygen monitors, etc.
Society is complex, visting a country is different from living there an extended period of time and even then even small geographical distances can result in huge changes in culture.
For example if you started in London and travelled the M4 to Bristol and carried on through Newport and then Cardiff. You would find dramatic differences in housing costs, religiousness, sports played (e.g. football to rugby), views on public transport, job market, jobs people work, education level, favourite drinks, marriage, etc…
You could spend 3 months basing yourself in any one of those locations and derive completely different views on what is wrong with the UK.
Which is why the OP brushed this off as nonsense. It also isn’t uncommon for Americans to go somewhere and suggest it would be miles better if it was exactly like the USA, which is why you get the ad hominem.
It would be like a British Tourist suggesting they don’t drink enough larger or accusing themof being savages for putting salt in tea
The author wasn’t making a logical argument, so there’s no need to address his “logic.”
He’s a tourist who spent some time in a foreign country, and came to some very sweeping, rash conclusions about an entire country’s culture. It’s shallow, judgmental, and tragically commonplace among self-centered tourists who think they can understand an entire culture after 2 weeks living in a hotel on someone else’s dime. I am so done with the “white dude waxes philosophical about Asian country” trope.
